New Promonade, removal of illegal resturants and piers

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Post by Jaime » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:11 am

philip wrote:remember George W Bush's amazing comment : "the trouble with these Frenchies is they ain't got a word for entrepreneur"
Are you sure it is a genuine Bush-ism? A Secretary of State for Wales back in the 80's or early 90's; either Peter Walker or John Redwood I think, said exactly the same thing about Wales.

I still don't think he gets the joke!
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Post by Randy Cornhole » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:57 pm

I wish they would just leave things alone. :cuss: It has charm which is why i like it here.
I have eaten at monsoon with my girlfriend many times and can say the ambiance the food and the staff were very good indeed. :thumb:
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Post by bahtandsold » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:53 am

This has been going to and fro for years and years as most in HH know and best bet it'll go on for years to come. First time I've noticed a report on it in a ntnl paper tho.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Jan2006_news091.php

Encroachment case

PRACHUAP KHIRI KHAN :The provincial prosecution department is moving ahead with the Hua Hin beach encroachment case, despite the Senate justice committee's attempts to push for the dropping of the charge against 52 encroachers.Thawat Paithooncharoenlarp, the provincial prosecutor who sits on the Hua Hin beach encroachment prevention panel, revealed that the prosecution must continue proceeding with the case since the case can only be withdrawn at the request of plaintiffs _ the Hua Hin Municipality and the Marine Department _ or on the order of the attorney-general or the prime minister.

The villagers were charged with encroaching on the beach from the Chao Mae Tubtim Shrine to the Hua Hin pier.

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Post by sam » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:18 pm

Chelsea, thanks for the info we went to Monsoon ,it was very good. First time i have had Vietnamese food, it is more subtle than Thai food, the place was busy this time especially upstairs. Another place we had an excellent meal was Baan Itsara?(spelling) on the beach very good food and good Chilean wine, price okay as well at 1600 baht. Can;i wait to get back to Thailand.

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Post by Ms.Skewed » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:32 am

Good to find this site. I visited HH last month and fell in love with the town. Stayed at a pleasant place built on a pier over the beach and spent many hours out on the lovely deck watching the world go by. The proprietor of the hotel told me that the property had been given to her grandfather by the King, and they'd operated their business for many years, well before most of HH was built. When the city came through and asked for right of way for a road, they gave a piece of their land so that Nares Damri Rd could be built, which divided their property.

Now, the government wants their all land to build a modern, ugly waterfront development. The case was going to court on January 26th, and I've been unable to find out what happened.

Has anybody heard what the courts decided? I would be really sad to hear that some modern mall type monstrosity is replacing the charming restaurants and guesthouses just south the the city pier.

Thanks!

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Post by lomuamart » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:11 am

[quote="Ms.Skewed"]Good to find this site. I visited HH last month and fell in love with the town. Stayed at a pleasant place built on a pier over the beach and spent many hours out on the lovely deck watching the world go by. The proprietor of the hotel told me that the property had been given to her grandfather by the King, and they'd operated their business for many years, well before most of HH was built. When the city came through and asked for right of way for a road, they gave a piece of their land so that Nares Damri Rd could be built, which divided their property.

Now, the government wants their all land to build a modern, ugly waterfront development. The case was going to court on January 26th, and I've been unable to find out what happened.

Has anybody heard what the courts decided? I would be really sad to hear that some modern mall type monstrosity is replacing the charming restaurants and guesthouses just south the the city pier.
Thanks

The results of the court case were reported on another thread.
Essentially, the court in Prachuap found for the plaintiffs and has ordered the buildings to be demolished.
Despite what the owner you spoke to said, the claim was that everyone was squatting. I don't think that's ever really been in doubt, it's just been that there are some pretty powerful people behind the scenes who've managed to always get some stay of execution. The owners were asking for time to rip the buildings down and said they'd do so as long as they weren't fined.
This has been going on for years, so it remains to be seen what happens. I thought that the plan was to turn the area into a promenade.
Definitely a retrograde step, IMHO.

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Post by Ms.Skewed » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:31 am

Thanks for the info Lomuamart. It's very sad to get this news. What I heard was that there would be some big Pier 79 type development going in, which would make it look like so many other beach towns that have had all their character and charm destroyed. The west coast of the US has many formerly unique and distinct towns that have been "modernized" into clones of each other. It doesn't matter where you are- all the architecture, stores and food chains are the same..... I hate to hear of that happening in Hua Hin in the name of progress.

What thread was the court case info reported on? Thanks for your response.

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Post by Norseman » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:09 pm

Ms.Skewed wrote:
What thread was the court case info reported on? Thanks for your response.
Try this thread: http://www.huahinafterdark.com/forum/vi ... php?t=2507
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Post by buksida » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:57 pm

Norseman wrote: Try this thread:
Had a rough night? :mrgreen: Its the same thread as we're posting in!

I think they have started the construction, a few places opposite Little Danish guesthouse have already beed reduced to rubble.
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Post by JW » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:58 pm

Hi Norseman,
You just trying to play a practical joke on a daft englishman! That link was back to the same one!! Nice One - Got me.

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Post by JW » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:00 pm

Buksi,

Beat me by 30 seconds! Please say you got suckered also?

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Post by Guess » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:24 pm

I had the opportunity recently to speak to one of the owners of a couple of properties on the sea front. What seems to be happening is that certain establishments are being refused license renewal (for restaurant or alcohol or both I do not know). Without a license a business can be shut on the spot but you would probably have to piss the authorities off before they acted.

Restaurants with sea views, especially on piers have no worries. The piers are permissble buildings owned by the state.

Anybody else (except the military) are not allowed anywhere in Thailand to build permanent structures on the beach.

This would of course, if enforced, get rid of many of the premises in Soi Naresdamri. It would also mean the complete removal af all premises on the west side of Walking Street in Pattaya.

This has been the topic of converstaion for the last six years but it looks like maybe somethings are going to happen but like everything here it will be Cha Cha.
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Post by Ms.Skewed » Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:03 pm

Hmmm, that's interesting, Guess. I thought they wanted to eliminate all those buildings that are built on the beach piers....

The sad part of this is that, not knowing if their license is going to be revoked at any time, the current owners won't invest in repairs and the buildings will eventually start to fall apart. If the owners were granted deeds to their properties, I'm sure the buildings would be fixed up and the street would be revived.

Isn't there a squatter's law in Thailand that allows people that have occupied a property for many years to keep it, or at least to stay there?

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Post by Guess » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:30 am

Ms.Skewed wrote:Hmmm, that's interesting, Guess. I thought they wanted to eliminate all those buildings that are built on the beach piers....

Isn't there a squatter's law in Thailand that allows people that have occupied a property for many years to keep it, or at least to stay there?

My understanding regading the piers was that if they had been built originally for the purpose of docking fishing boats then they were legal and could be used for other purposes when no longer required for boats. This was certainly the case in Pattaya. It would be interesting to know what happens to the disused pier at the begining of walking street that I understand has now been completely superceded by the new pier at the south end of the town.

As for squatters law, one does exist in fact one of the many reasons for the delay in th opening of the new airport in Bangkok was of a squatter who had built a nightclub on SRT property many years ago. Even though the night club had been empty for many years the owner still had some rights due to the length of time he had been there. The authorities got him out eventually but a believe a fairly large some of cash changed hands after the settlement was carried out in court.

However this sort of case is dealt with at Municipality or Provicial level so anything that happens in Bangkok or Pattaya may not be relevant. Many disputes of this nature seem to be dealt with differently here. This maybe because it the the King's town but also because Prachuap is one of the only provinces in Thailand with a split party government.

I think that we will all have to wait and see. I remember a few years ago Big C being refused permission to build a superstore about six kilometres south of the town centre. In five days we will have the opening of Tesco less than two kilometres south of the town centre.
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Re: New Promonade, removal of illegal resturants and piers

Post by huh » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:54 pm

What is the news regarding Nares Damri Alley... anybody knows...? Thank you

Good afternoon,
I have been coming to Hua Hin for many years for a few days once a year.

I was there again last December and still see photos posted on old wooden houses "do not demolish..." Are these houses still under threat of being demolished?

What is the news on Nares Damri? I very much like this street representing something like the old soul.

And does anybody know what was the purpose of the piers a the backside?

And: when were the wooden houses and the piers built

Thank you very much.
Best regards,
huh

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