Why stay if Hua Hin and/or Thailand is that bad?

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Why stay if Hua Hin and/or Thailand is that bad?

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I've moved the below post over from the Abandoned motorcycles prompt Hua Hin bomb alert thread to this new thread for discussion.
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Bazbaz wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:07 pm First time post on here but I 've been viewing for a while.

I m in Hua Hin on holiday and surely it is better to be safe than sorry. Can you imagine all the complaints on here about lax security if there were bombs?

From what I 've seen on HHAD there is nothing good about Hua Hin ,The police,immigration procedures or almost anything.

If it is that bad why stay here???,
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Re: Why stay if Hua Hin and/or Thailand is that bad?

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I think any discussion forum where the main participants are long term expats over a certain age will have more complaints about life than kudos about all the great things to do. Human nature?...probably.

That doesn't mean that the other 23 hours in a given day when they are not complaining they're not enjoying life here.

Maybe they really aren't? I don't know, but would imagine some are stuck here for one reason or another and all they have is a forum such as this to vent their frustrations.
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To understand how expats think (especially long term ones) you need to be one and I wouldn't expect someone on a short term holiday to get it but I'll mention a few things:

1. Thailand is still OK and the pros outweigh the cons just about but it is nowhere near the deal it used to be and the general opinion is that it hasn't changed for the better over the last 10 years.
2. It's natural to complain but that doesn't mean people are complaining 24/7. However, then again I could complain a fair bit about my country of origin too as that has gone downhill also.
3. Everyone has to be somewhere and expats can feel like complaining about things as they, over time, rightly feel like they have a stake in life somewhere due to investing time/money/effort/emotion plus contributing to the adopted country in various ways whether it be working and paying taxes or charitable work or whatever.
4. Forums often attract all sorts of comments as they are a platform for like minded people to come together and discuss things.
5. As a tourist, you don't really taste the petty and anal regulations of immigration/officialdom here as you just fill in a form on the plane and get a visa on arrival mostly. Want to live/work here then it's like dealing with George Orwell's Thought Police with their opaque and intrusive requirement which by the way have severely worsened in the last 5 years. Expats find this tiresome.
5. For every expat here, there is probably a varying amount of Thais that directly benefit and plenty that indirectly benefit from us being here in one way or another, so actually the locals benefit a lot from us being here.
6. Over the last 10 years we have seen the slow militarization of Thailand and its society which denigrates the Thailand that we all fell in love with and convinced us to stay. Many feel bad about this as they rightly call Thailand home now and have families, property et al here.

I could go on ... but will leave it there.
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Personally, I see this question in 2 parts:

Security - very difficult with faceless terrorists. How do you identify them to stop them? I think this is a problem for every nation in the world. However, some Thai application of their security measures are very relaxed (yes, you could probably find similar actions everywhere, but on a Hua Hin forum, people talk about what is happening here, not e.g. Mumbai). As an example driving into Market Village yesterday, there were guards with mirrors to look under cars. Were they looking? No, they were leaning against the wall, staring into space, mirror parked beside them. However, this goes down to the old saying, 'pay peanuts and you get monkeys'. Yes, it was an in your face failure, but didn't make me feel any less safe.

Actions such as not being able to place security cameras on PEA lampposts because it might disrupt power supply is something I find incredulous. It's not as though we have uninterrupted power anyway. Then every man and his dog seems to hang their wires off these posts with no objection. Really amazing. However, do I feel less safe without these cameras? Not at all. There are a lot more cameras in town now than when I decided to move here.

Why stay here? - I have no problem staying, I moved here to die. However, if I see something wrong, why shouldn't I say something? I would have said something in the UK, so why shouldn't I say something here? Should I just lay back and accept everything? How would anybody know it was wrong if everybody was dumb? If enough people complain, it might make a difference. A good example was the new road layout in about 2013 in the centre of Hua Hin. There was such an outcry, they had to scrap it within 24 hours. OK, they've cocked it up bit by since :D , but speaking out can/did have an effect.

Why do people stay? For various reasons, I know quite a few people who would leave tomorrow (I'm not one of them), but they are tied to Thailand because they've invested in property, and the bottom has fallen out of the property market here. Basically, they are in a queue, waiting. Similarly, I was in a queue waiting for the right circumstances to leave the UK for a few years.

If the OP is a way of saying if you don't like it, go home - well, we've heard it all before. As I've said, many (not me) have made their bed, and now circumstances are changing, but getting out is easier said than done. Likewise, if the original OP thinks we shouldn't have a voice, maybe it's him/her needs to reconsider life here. They may be more suited to North Korea.
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Underwhelming response to this one.

The answers will largely depend on age, financial status, and how long you have already lived in Thailand.

For me that balance of pros/cons has shifted a lot in recent years and the 'complaining' done is largely because most of us want and hope to see Thailand improve, not go backwards.

The longer one has lived here the greater the differences will be between then and now. Thailand today is a far cry from the place I came to in the late 1990s and fell in love with.

Other factors also dictate why moving is not an option such as having children here, or property you can no longer sell because the regime keeps clamping down on long stayers, or other economic woes.

A happy medium for me would be four months here, four months in my country of birth, and four months somewhere completely different. I'm still working on that last one!
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I have a number of Scandinavian friends here. They are for the most part snow-birds, come to thai for perhaps 6 months a year, but keep there residence and ability to resettle in their country at any time and plan to do that eventually. They seem to be much more content here. On the other hand, many of the British people I know here, would find it difficult to return to the UK and have no wish to do so. They seem much more impatient with the daily irritations of life in Thai. I think that they feel trapped. The double-whammy of rising cost of living being paid for with an effectively declining income, because of currency decline also contributes to their discontent.
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I also find that being a part-time resident of Hua Hin works for me, I've been based out of the town for 16 years now and come back for a few weeks every couple of months and I still enjoy it as much as I always have. I've always used 30 day tourist visa exemptions with the odd extension and visa run when I've needed to stay longer and have had no problems with immigration beyond the length of the queue to get to see them!

I cycle around the local area and walk on the beach every day and that hasn't changed much in all the time I've been visiting and I go out for a few beers with my partner a couple of nights a week, it used to be nearly every night but age has more to do with that than anything else.

I aim to continue working away and visiting like this as long as I possibly can, permanent retirement doesn't really appeal to me at the moment, even though I'm past my mid-fifties and of an age when I know that many expats retired.

Incidentally, I notice the OP came on here to make a complaint about people complaining, which is slightly ironic!
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Perfect, another display of junior school mentality from the retard, that's ruining this country, for the world to see.
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So why are you here? Leave!
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HHTel wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:49 am So why are you here? Leave!
Doesn't take away the truth of what he is saying though.

There is a mood shift in Thailand, since the Myanmar coup, that is almost palpable now.
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Childish insults are not "truth", and just demonstrate the posters inability to intelligently communicate, as he has clearly shown in previous posts.
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I'm here because I want to be warts and all. When I was in the UK I had negative thoughts about living there. Consequently, I left and have been here for over 20 years. I tried going back 10 years ago. I lasted a few months and couldn't wait to get back here.

There are lots to complain about in Thailand but there are also, in my opinion, more positives than negatives.

What I don't understand is why someone should stay if they really don't want to be here. Unless circumstances are such that you can't leave, then go!
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HHTel wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:59 am What I don't understand is why someone should stay if they really don't want to be here. Unless circumstances are such that you can't leave, then go!
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HHTel wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:59 am
What I don't understand is why someone should stay if they really don't want to be here. Unless circumstances are such that you can't leave, then go!
I thought he was implying that he was going.
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Felipesed1 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:27 am Childish insults are not "truth", and just demonstrate the posters inability to intelligently communicate, as he has clearly shown in previous posts.
I thought everything he said was a demonstrable truth!
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