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caller wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 12:19 pm
Dannie Boy wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 5:15 am Hua Hin showing the way with one of the largest EV charging stations in Thailand!!

The new station boasts what the company says is the largest EV Pavilion in southern Thailand, featuring eight electric vehicle fast-charging stations, catering to the growing demand for EV infrastructure in the region.
Theres more chargers than that in Bluport alone!
But not fast chargers, only 2 fast charger (EA Anywhere)

Close though, with the addition of Tesla chargers (3), but only for Teslas, I think.
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Lots of malls have more chargers, but most are slow chargers:
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STEVE G wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 6:02 pm 2018 Tesla S drove 413,000 miles with its original battery

https://insideevs.com/news/717654/tesla ... e-battery/
Pretty sure there was a Mercedes ICE that did a far sight more over a far sight more many years and not under controlled conditions.
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STEVE G wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 2:03 am ^The Japanese worked out back in the eighties and nineties how to circumvent trade protectionism in the auto industry by opening factories in the markets you want to be in.
"...trade protectionism" is different on a number of levels (security being one) - are/can you really compare China and Japan on that front?
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Oh, I have no idea what types of chargers they are. There are 6 Tesla chargers on floor 1. 4 other chargers on the ground floor and last time I looked, there were chargers on the concreted area in front of Bluport, next to the entry/exit road from Petchkasem.
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I was only posting a news article specific to Hua Hin and particularly relevant to the ever increasing EV community. Whether it’s factually correct in all aspects is in many respects irrelevant - but it does provide a useful addition to being able to quickly charge your EV (if you have one)!!


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Yes, I pulled into the petrol/diesel part of the station a few days ago, and I must say, the new charging station looked very impressive. I was very surprised to see it there.
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Here is some useful information from an Australian website on home charging an EV from solar;

EV Explainer: Charging your electric vehicle with excess solar power

https://thedriven.io/2024/05/09/ev-expl ... lar-power/

I believe from articles I've read recently that due to many properties in Australia having rooftop solar, EVs are becoming more popular there.
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In the EV future, Thailand, the ‘Detroit of Asia,’ could be a key China hedge for automakers
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/12/with-ev ... akers.html

“Thailand is a possible path to China-like auto parts costs, allowing low-cost production,” says Craig Irwin, senior research analyst at Roth Capital who covers Tesla. “Thailand is an option since it’ll give continuity of access to the supply chain that supports the Shanghai facility, but not regulated by Beijing.”

“There are fewer political implications of exporting vehicles from Thailand to markets like the U.S. or E.U. versus China,” said Seth Goldstein, equities strategist at Morningstar, who covers Tesla.
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STEVE G wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 12:10 pm In the EV future, Thailand, the ‘Detroit of Asia,’ could be a key China hedge for automakers
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/12/with-ev ... akers.html

“Thailand is a possible path to China-like auto parts costs, allowing low-cost production,” says Craig Irwin, senior research analyst at Roth Capital who covers Tesla. “Thailand is an option since it’ll give continuity of access to the supply chain that supports the Shanghai facility, but not regulated by Beijing.”

“There are fewer political implications of exporting vehicles from Thailand to markets like the U.S. or E.U. versus China,” said Seth Goldstein, equities strategist at Morningstar, who covers Tesla.
Thailand could be a major player in car production but not battery cars. No one wants them because ICE is far superior.
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2/cb wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 11:28 pm
STEVE G wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 12:10 pm In the EV future, Thailand, the ‘Detroit of Asia,’ could be a key China hedge for automakers
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/12/with-ev ... akers.html

“Thailand is a possible path to China-like auto parts costs, allowing low-cost production,” says Craig Irwin, senior research analyst at Roth Capital who covers Tesla. “Thailand is an option since it’ll give continuity of access to the supply chain that supports the Shanghai facility, but not regulated by Beijing.”

“There are fewer political implications of exporting vehicles from Thailand to markets like the U.S. or E.U. versus China,” said Seth Goldstein, equities strategist at Morningstar, who covers Tesla.
Thailand could be a major player in car production but not battery cars. No one wants them because ICE is far superior.
Please point out how superior they are. Totally inferior IMHO, in TH, unless time is money and you're on the road all day racking up kms. Only advantage they have, is topping up the tank in 10 mins, vs 30 mins, and of course, there's a price for, 3X the cost.

I know you're just trolling, as it's all been pointed out before;
EV cost about the same to buy in (TH)
EV out perform
EV cost less to operate & maintain (TH)
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^ Well, there'll always be the arguments pro and con EV's. They certainly have a massive market in Asia - cost and climate being the main reasoning, whereas range means little realistically and there is the infrastructure in place within the cities/large towns. And yes KhunLA, my ICE is far superior when looking at ALL related costs (UK) and reliability (and actually Environmentally). I'll be keeping it now for several years to come - followed (likely) by a Hybrid. I would say that if I was in HH/Thailand, things could well be reversed - my car certainly not being suited there.

It's somewhat different in the West and the cost of cheap Chinese imports are going to be hit again (in the US at least): -

The U.S. will quadruple tariffs on EV imports all the way to 100% as the Biden administration looks to prevent a “China shock” like the early 2000s

https://qz.com/biden-us-china-china-tar ... 4_breaking
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The U.S. will quadruple tariffs on EV imports all the way to 100% as the Biden administration looks to prevent a “China shock” like the early 2000s
That might benefit US car makers in the short term but it could be the end of them after that as it will just serve to strangle innovation and leave them so far behind that they'll be left in the dust.
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STEVE G wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:12 pm
The U.S. will quadruple tariffs on EV imports all the way to 100% as the Biden administration looks to prevent a “China shock” like the early 2000s
That might benefit US car makers in the short term but it could be the end of them after that as it will just serve to strangle innovation and leave them so far behind that they'll be left in the dust.
They'll need to "innovate" to keep up Steve - as will the rest of Europe. We need to protect our own and secure industries - not bow down to China and others which we have been doing so for years. Our own governments are very weak on this and other matters including security, but that's for another thread.

But, the real question I guess is how does this "strangle innovation" when allowing a Chinese Invasion takes all?

[EDIT] I'll expand on that - what technologies/innovations do China have that weren't copied/stolen? I've seen it first hand for many years
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But, the real question I guess is how does this "strangle innovation" when allowing a Chinese Invasion takes all?
To be honest, when I see how many western car companies are behaving, I get the impression that they've actually already given up and instead of trying to compete, they're just trying to find any way of making money out of old technology until the inevitable happens. ( By which time the present generation of executives will have retired! )
In my opinion, the correct way of fighting this would have been for large scale government investment about 10-20 years ago but they've missed the boat on that one.
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In the UK I’ll keep my petrol-hybrid for the foreseeable.
In Thailand I don’t drive and never have or will.

My view is that battery cars are a dead end; those who want one will buy one but ICE remains far superior for most users.
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