History Challenge & Journal

[pharvey]

Used for what? Where and when ('ish) were they first used?
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[pharvey]

Better suited here rather than the "Documentaries" thread....

Today (May 16th, 2023) marked the 80th anniversary of "Operation Chastise" aka "The Dambusters Raid".

On the night of the 16th May 1943, 19 Lancaster bombers took off from Lincolnshire. Their targets were three dams in the industrial heart of Germany. 80 years on, The Dambusters raid is remembered as one of the most audacious, innovative, and courageous operations of the war.

As such, there have been numerous documentaries (and re-runs of the movie!) of late - one of the better ones I've watched is "Dam Busters: The Race to Smash the German Dams". This dates back to 2011, so does include interviews with veterans of the raid such as George "Johnny" Johnson who sadly passed in 2022. This year was the first anniversary of the raid with no surviving members

Lest we forget

[Nereus]

Today (May 16th, 2023) marked the 80th anniversary of "Operation Chastise" aka "The Dambusters Raid".

Eighty years on from the Dambusters Raid — a mission so secretive the details were kept from the crews until the night before

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-16/ ... /102348188

Hand-picked aircrews from Britain, Canada, America, New Zealand and Australia destroyed three German dams in the raid on May 16, 1943.(Supplied: Australian War Memorial)

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long article with some video...........................................................

[migrant]

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pharvey no one answered this one, only weak guess I have are charcoal ovens similar to those in Nevada.

[dtaai-maai]

pharvey no one answered this one, only weak guess I have are charcoal ovens similar to those in Nevada.

Extremely similar...

[pharvey]

only weak guess I have are charcoal ovens similar to those in Nevada.

Christ migrant, must be one hell of a turkey come Thanksgiving!!

Actually no, quite the opposite.....

"A forerunner of the modern day fridge/freezer, A yakhchāl (Persian: یخچال "ice pit"; yakh meaning "ice" and chāl meaning "pit") is an ancient type of ice house. In present-day Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan, the term yakhchāl is also used to refer to modern refrigerators.[1]

These structures were mainly built and used in Persia.[1] Records indicate that these structures were built as far back as 400 BCE, and many that were built hundreds of years ago remain standing.[2]"

Fascinating really - more details @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l

[pharvey]

Eighty years on from the Dambusters Raid — a mission so secretive the details were kept from the crews until the night before

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-16/ ... /102348188

Incredible really - and something now against the Geneva Convention.....

[Nereus]

Typical igorant response, that just shows a lack of knowledge!

https://parks.nv.gov/learn/park-histori ... ns-history

The beehive shaped ovens replaced an older system of producing charcoal because the ovens were a more efficient way to reduce pinyon pine and juniper into charcoal. The Ward Charcoal Ovens operated from 1876 through 1879, the silver boom years of the Ward mines. The ovens were eventually phased out completely due to depleted ore deposits and a shortage of available timber.

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[pharvey]

Typical igorant response, that just shows a lack of knowledge!

https://parks.nv.gov/learn/park-histori ... ns-history

The beehive shaped ovens replaced an older system of producing charcoal because the ovens were a more efficient way to reduce pinyon pine and juniper into charcoal. The Ward Charcoal Ovens operated from 1876 through 1879, the silver boom years of the Ward mines. The ovens were eventually phased out completely due to depleted ore deposits and a shortage of available timber.

My sincere apologies Nereus oh font of all knowledge (and of course migrant)......... Thanks for the addition/clarification

[Lost]

Typical igorant response, that just shows a lack of knowledge!

Now, now Nereus. You gotta understand it's actually abnormal to hold the amount of knowledge on things that you do.

[pharvey]

Perhaps better posted here rather than in the "Documentaries" thread.

Well, this is something that I'm embarrassed to say has either been completely forgotten about or stored well in the depths of the grey matter.... My excuse being I was a youngster growing up in Zambia at the time and spent several more years away from the UK!

Anyway, a recent documentary on CH4 (UK) has clarified things.....!

Princess Anne: The Plot to Kidnap a Royal - https://www.channel4.com/programmes/pri ... ap-a-royal

This (obviously) documents the attempted kidnapping of Princess Anne way back in 1974: -

"On 20 March 1974, Princess Anne and Mark Phillips were returning to Buckingham Palace from a charity event when a Ford Escort forced their Princess IV car to stop on The Mall.[50] The driver of the Escort, Ian Ball, jumped out and began firing a pistol. Inspector James Beaton, Anne's personal police officer, exited the car to shield her and to try to disarm Ball. Beaton's firearm, a Walther PPK, jammed, and he was shot by Ball, as was Anne's chauffeur, Alex Callender, when he tried to disarm Ball.[51] Brian McConnell, a nearby tabloid journalist, also intervened, and was shot in the chest.[52] Ball approached Anne's car and told her that he intended to kidnap her and hold her for ransom, the sum given by varying sources as £2 million[53] or £3 million, which he claimed he intended to give to the National Health Service.[50] Ball told Anne to get out of the car, to which she replied, "Not bloody likely!" She reportedly briefly considered hitting Ball.[54]"

Source: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal

[Dannie Boy]

I remember the incident but not the detail - clearly things have changed over the past near 50 years and security now is significantly greater - as are the number of “nutters” out there!!

[pharvey]

Just a bit of fun - What does this photo (dating from the 1950's) represent?
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[hhinner]

At a guess, stacks of punched cards. A database of days gone by.

[Dannie Boy]

I thought it looked more like Mrs Harvey counting her husbands stash of £10 notes