Maybenot,
If anyone is not sensitive to these issues, then they should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Alligator's OP was a rant that put this town, inhabitants and visitors in a bad light.
As far as some posters being "defensive" is concerned, read the drivel that was originally posted. The self same thread was quickly dispatched to hell on another forum.
It's a cop out to say - "if you don't like it then...", but some folk really need to stay at home and drink their cocoa before bedtime.
Please remember that this site will not tolerate any discussion of activities that are against the laws of this Kingdom.
The subject of age differences in a relationship in Thailand has been covered before on this forum and anyones' input is welcome - regardless of whether others agree or not.
Underage sex, as defined by Thai and international laws, cannot be discussed.
If alligator wishes to defend himself/herself, then feel free, but be mindful of the above warnings.
Age differences in Hua Hin
Agree on thatniceday wrote:Thai women don't look old as quick same westerners.
I've seen Thai woen in their late 30's that could pass as teenagers. Much thiner to like younger westerners.
Newbies do find it difficult to tell a thai's age group.
About after 40 Thai women seem to suddenly age very quickly.
When guessing an age, i ALWAYS look at the hands, this will show their age and compbining this with the rest of the looks I usually guess right within 2-3 years
I once had a Tilac that showed 16 max from far, and was 29 (that was what her ID said).
Being rather small and petit this is what usually happens when farang first see Thai women or asian women in general
A few stories relevent ( i think) to this thread.
Last year in Pran buri ( i think) I arrived on back of motorbike with 12 /13 year old driving, stopped at seven eleven, and the thais definetly had it in for me, scrutiny was very obvious, including our amigos in thai police, watching closely..
The girl with me i think realised what people were thinking and explained i who i was(a relatives farang friend just arrived in town needing farang essentials - toilet paper, sliced bread and diet coke).
Last summer an employer at home (in ireland) wanted to know if two female thai chefs i hired were legal age to work. I asked him and company what age they looked, they siad one was 16/17 the other maybe 16. The '16' is 32 with one child and husband , the other is about '35' ,children and second husband.
An eldery customer verbally attacked me in my shop after i wedded my thai wife for marrying a foreign woman half my age, I am 32, maybe a bit worse for ware, she is nine months younger, and funny, in los everybody thinks im younger than her.
I have many thai friends, i do not know many expats as i spend most time in Prachuap Khiri Khan when im in los, but a twenty, thirty, forty year age gap between a thai girl and thai husband is quite common, especially so i think if he has a secure livelyhood.
I would like to say that guests of the nation ought to observe the culture and norms of thailand before getting up on their high horses, especially those who hide inside hotels and only go out for a stroll, or to the standard tourist attractions.
Last year in Pran buri ( i think) I arrived on back of motorbike with 12 /13 year old driving, stopped at seven eleven, and the thais definetly had it in for me, scrutiny was very obvious, including our amigos in thai police, watching closely..
The girl with me i think realised what people were thinking and explained i who i was(a relatives farang friend just arrived in town needing farang essentials - toilet paper, sliced bread and diet coke).
Last summer an employer at home (in ireland) wanted to know if two female thai chefs i hired were legal age to work. I asked him and company what age they looked, they siad one was 16/17 the other maybe 16. The '16' is 32 with one child and husband , the other is about '35' ,children and second husband.
An eldery customer verbally attacked me in my shop after i wedded my thai wife for marrying a foreign woman half my age, I am 32, maybe a bit worse for ware, she is nine months younger, and funny, in los everybody thinks im younger than her.
I have many thai friends, i do not know many expats as i spend most time in Prachuap Khiri Khan when im in los, but a twenty, thirty, forty year age gap between a thai girl and thai husband is quite common, especially so i think if he has a secure livelyhood.
I would like to say that guests of the nation ought to observe the culture and norms of thailand before getting up on their high horses, especially those who hide inside hotels and only go out for a stroll, or to the standard tourist attractions.
I have edited a number of posts in this thread as discussions on paedophillia are not permitted on this forum as the Moderator previously mentioned.
I have tried to keep the discussion flowing but it does seem to be a repeat of this one regarding age differences.
On a further note, greater age differences are common throughout ASIA and are not just limited to Hua Hin. If you were offended by what you saw here I suggest you make an effort to totally avoid Phuket, Samui, Pattaya and Bangkok where this is far more prevalent.
I have tried to keep the discussion flowing but it does seem to be a repeat of this one regarding age differences.
On a further note, greater age differences are common throughout ASIA and are not just limited to Hua Hin. If you were offended by what you saw here I suggest you make an effort to totally avoid Phuket, Samui, Pattaya and Bangkok where this is far more prevalent.
It sounds to me that Alligator1999 comes from Tunbridge Wells! I'm sure they suit each other. Now what was that in the news last week - ah yes, TW objecting to Anne Summers opening a store there!!!
Wherever you're from, you insinuate and state generalisations against single men that really are unfair. Everyone will have their different reasons for visiting HH, and a lot will not be British. Sure, some will be here for a weeks sex, the company and attention of a pretty girl, that perhaps they can't get at home. It still doesn't mean that they are all out and out losers and perverts. Might even stop a few sex attacks?? But for others, there will be diferent reasons. How do you now what their backgrounds are, what has happened in their lives, or their reasons for visiting HH?
Oh, and it's okay for younger men, is it?
HH seems to attract a lot of couples and families, many, judging by this site and others, return regularly and even settle here. They are bound to be aware of the activity in the small bar scene and see the same things you complain about. Perhaps they are not all little Englanders?
I 1st found HH a few years ago by accident, and thought it fantastic. I've been many times since. It made me realise I had an opportunity to have a different and better life to the one I have in the UK and yes, that will include a Thai wife. But hey, that's my choice. My preference. At least I didn't buy off the shelf.
I'm sure for the reasons stated you don't listen to Eric Clapton (wife 30 years younger), or Rod Stewart et al - not that that would make you a hippocrite (sic?)?
And I'm sure you protest to the your local council against all the massage parlours in the 'burbs and all those ad's on the back pages of the local papers and in the free ad papers? And all the lad's and lasses vomiting over each other every Friday night at chucking out time before havng sex against your front door?
Oh, for the Engand of your dreams!
If you don't like what you saw here, I'm sure HH will cope without you.
Wherever you're from, you insinuate and state generalisations against single men that really are unfair. Everyone will have their different reasons for visiting HH, and a lot will not be British. Sure, some will be here for a weeks sex, the company and attention of a pretty girl, that perhaps they can't get at home. It still doesn't mean that they are all out and out losers and perverts. Might even stop a few sex attacks?? But for others, there will be diferent reasons. How do you now what their backgrounds are, what has happened in their lives, or their reasons for visiting HH?
Oh, and it's okay for younger men, is it?
HH seems to attract a lot of couples and families, many, judging by this site and others, return regularly and even settle here. They are bound to be aware of the activity in the small bar scene and see the same things you complain about. Perhaps they are not all little Englanders?
I 1st found HH a few years ago by accident, and thought it fantastic. I've been many times since. It made me realise I had an opportunity to have a different and better life to the one I have in the UK and yes, that will include a Thai wife. But hey, that's my choice. My preference. At least I didn't buy off the shelf.
I'm sure for the reasons stated you don't listen to Eric Clapton (wife 30 years younger), or Rod Stewart et al - not that that would make you a hippocrite (sic?)?
And I'm sure you protest to the your local council against all the massage parlours in the 'burbs and all those ad's on the back pages of the local papers and in the free ad papers? And all the lad's and lasses vomiting over each other every Friday night at chucking out time before havng sex against your front door?
Oh, for the Engand of your dreams!
If you don't like what you saw here, I'm sure HH will cope without you.
Caller
Well said. I totally agree. I am in the age group discribed by 1999 and my fiancee is in her late 20's and looks to be in her teens. I met her through the export manager at one of our suppliers. She is mature well ahead of her age. I am fasinated by HH and will considered settleing here upon retirement.Hope we can stay away from the narrow minded people.
Bushman
Well said. I totally agree. I am in the age group discribed by 1999 and my fiancee is in her late 20's and looks to be in her teens. I met her through the export manager at one of our suppliers. She is mature well ahead of her age. I am fasinated by HH and will considered settleing here upon retirement.Hope we can stay away from the narrow minded people.
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I'm going to reach my mid 20s next year and from a my point of view if I meet a guy in his late 50s and fall in love with him I will absolutelly go for that relationship.
BUT sure that some conditions will go along such as he is still in good shape, "good looking", has a sense of humor, still "working" well on the main batlefield, ready to travel around with me blab blab. Money is welcome here, what's kind of man with no money when he is more than 50???
- If it's real love, nothing to discuss more but the problem of getting him in your " TRADITIONAL Family" or having children
- t's prositute and customer, it's closed case, they are buyer and seller and as long as they are hand in hand on the street with smile on their faces, don't stare. They both got what they were aiming for!!!
Anyway, I feel more relax when I back to Hanoi. Fact about prositute and sex industry are the same more or less but here we keep it under a mask. In Vietnam we say that: If your eyes don't see it, your heart will not be hurt!
I can not tell you which life I prefer, to live in a FREE LAND like in Thailand and do whatever thing I want or back to Hanoi and act like Ms. NICE during day light and " sneak" out to have some parties during the weekend
Back to our discussion about age gap I think if I can not live in Hanoi if my "BF" -my "Husband" is double my age. Then I'll have to think about move toThailand
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BUT sure that some conditions will go along such as he is still in good shape, "good looking", has a sense of humor, still "working" well on the main batlefield, ready to travel around with me blab blab. Money is welcome here, what's kind of man with no money when he is more than 50???
- If it's real love, nothing to discuss more but the problem of getting him in your " TRADITIONAL Family" or having children
- t's prositute and customer, it's closed case, they are buyer and seller and as long as they are hand in hand on the street with smile on their faces, don't stare. They both got what they were aiming for!!!
Anyway, I feel more relax when I back to Hanoi. Fact about prositute and sex industry are the same more or less but here we keep it under a mask. In Vietnam we say that: If your eyes don't see it, your heart will not be hurt!
I can not tell you which life I prefer, to live in a FREE LAND like in Thailand and do whatever thing I want or back to Hanoi and act like Ms. NICE during day light and " sneak" out to have some parties during the weekend
Back to our discussion about age gap I think if I can not live in Hanoi if my "BF" -my "Husband" is double my age. Then I'll have to think about move toThailand
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There could also be some conditions for you, linktolinh. Never forget that.
Such as don't whine about money all the time if someone's giving you a loving relationship. Don't go out and party all the time - just because you feel you're young enough to do so. Etc etc.
It works both ways.
Don't denigrate yourself to the depths of money, rather than love, or you'll end up getting hurt.
Just my opinion of your last post.
Such as don't whine about money all the time if someone's giving you a loving relationship. Don't go out and party all the time - just because you feel you're young enough to do so. Etc etc.
It works both ways.
Don't denigrate yourself to the depths of money, rather than love, or you'll end up getting hurt.
Just my opinion of your last post.
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I didn't experience a relationship with an old man yet, I don't know how things will going with the money stuff.
I think when you are in love, get close enough to understand, things will work out step by step... I can take care of my economy well, my ex did the same. I don't think money is the most important issue in love and relationship BUT it'll be in the top 5 most important thing. I regard MONEY is the tool of life not the target of life.
It's the truth that I'm young and I don't hesitage to "Life Fast" but I prefer to " Die Old", I think if I love an old guy he should be young in heart and why don't pull him out for party in Saturday night with me?
Love will find its way
I think when you are in love, get close enough to understand, things will work out step by step... I can take care of my economy well, my ex did the same. I don't think money is the most important issue in love and relationship BUT it'll be in the top 5 most important thing. I regard MONEY is the tool of life not the target of life.
It's the truth that I'm young and I don't hesitage to "Life Fast" but I prefer to " Die Old", I think if I love an old guy he should be young in heart and why don't pull him out for party in Saturday night with me?
Love will find its way
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linktolinh, how do the Vietnamese people think about the age difference if both persons are Vietnamese? Is it common for a Vietnamese man to have a much younger wife?
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I have a friend in Hua Hin who is in his eighties,he is cared for by a young girl,who cares for him very much,so does her family,who live off the money she earns,they are not having sex,but perhaps Mr prude would like to share his thoughts with her parents,if you care to pm me before your next trip i would happily take you to the village to meet them.
I used to take my daughter to the theatre in London and for a meal,it was something i enjoyed very much,but because of the bad looks from sick minded people who sat and stared at us,i stopped taking her out,because i felt sorry for my daughter that she should have to be subjected to this.
I myself live alone in Hua Hin,and i love the fact that Thai people accept everyone as friends,age is just a number,not a barrier.
I often take caddies from my golf club out,which draws looks from sick minded people like alligator,yet these girls are just friends of mine and work so hard,when they are not working as a caddy they work on farms,going out to eat in Hua Hin is a very big treat for them,yet people like alligator begrudge them this small pleasure in their life.
I love Hua Hin and one of the best things about it is th fact its 6000 miles from prudes and sick minded people like alligator.
I used to take my daughter to the theatre in London and for a meal,it was something i enjoyed very much,but because of the bad looks from sick minded people who sat and stared at us,i stopped taking her out,because i felt sorry for my daughter that she should have to be subjected to this.
I myself live alone in Hua Hin,and i love the fact that Thai people accept everyone as friends,age is just a number,not a barrier.
I often take caddies from my golf club out,which draws looks from sick minded people like alligator,yet these girls are just friends of mine and work so hard,when they are not working as a caddy they work on farms,going out to eat in Hua Hin is a very big treat for them,yet people like alligator begrudge them this small pleasure in their life.
I love Hua Hin and one of the best things about it is th fact its 6000 miles from prudes and sick minded people like alligator.
Interesting ....
On a similar note, not long after my wife first came to the UK my grandfather took her to the local hospital to have some x-rays done while I was at work as my wife couldn't drive (well actually she can drive a variety of vehicles but not in the UK without a licence - but I digress). He was 78 at the time and my wife was 34 but the assumption was made by hospital staff that they were husband & wife. My gramps was shocked (my wife thought it hilarious) but I suppose that the old man+Thai bride charicature is such a strong stereotype in Britain that everyone else in there was thinking the same thing. Rightly or wrongly, Thailand's image in the UK is strongly associated with sex and 'mail order' brides - fact of life. What is more alarming to me is the surprise that Thai people express when you tell them this fact.
On a similar note, not long after my wife first came to the UK my grandfather took her to the local hospital to have some x-rays done while I was at work as my wife couldn't drive (well actually she can drive a variety of vehicles but not in the UK without a licence - but I digress). He was 78 at the time and my wife was 34 but the assumption was made by hospital staff that they were husband & wife. My gramps was shocked (my wife thought it hilarious) but I suppose that the old man+Thai bride charicature is such a strong stereotype in Britain that everyone else in there was thinking the same thing. Rightly or wrongly, Thailand's image in the UK is strongly associated with sex and 'mail order' brides - fact of life. What is more alarming to me is the surprise that Thai people express when you tell them this fact.
That's about right
Nice one Phillip 
Well said
nuff said
Well said
nuff said
Agreed - but they don't - human nature, especially where foreigners are concerned and especially where such strong stereotypes exist. If you step outside 'the norm' as people like me have done in marrying someone who looks so different you come to expect stares etc. We get it all the time whilst out shopping and the like. I have had people shout that my wife & I are a 'f***ing disgrace' from a passing car and an old school friend once asked me if I had bought my wife! We are both in our thirties, so there is no big age difference, although my wife is tiny! My comment about how Thai people react to these stereotypes is just an observation - one that I find interesting given the reputation of the country outside Thailand - and not a judgement. Trust me - I have to live and let live on a daily basis - a relationship with a Thai wouldn't work any other way!philip wrote:And all the correspondence to date on this topic can neatly be summarised as follows:- "live and let live". People should mind their own effin' business !