Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Khundon1975]

Rather than speculate, it’s better to wait for the facts to emerge, as I’m sure they will in good time!!

Fair comment, but EV's were the first thing that went through my mind when I saw the report I must admit.

On another note, I caught the tail end of a report on the BBC this morning, but can't for the life of me find it now. Basically, it was regarding the cost of keeping and running an EV in the UK - I'm sure other regions must have the same/similar issues and it wasn't good news for EV's particularly - Car Insurance significantly higher than that of ICE's (though insurance in general is ridiculous), Parts - in short supply and on a long lead time, Charging costs and availability....... My current car, a Mercedes AMG Diesel is going to kill me on costs in the next few years, but I'm certainly leaning more and more towards a hybrid rather than a full on EV.

Are the same "issues" there in Thailand/Asia?

I got an EV and an ICE car here in the UK and just reinsured both and the costs of both policies (Fully Comprehensive with 6 years no claims bonus) have doubled this year
The excuse given was the difficulty in getting spare parts, especially for electronic parts needed for crash vehicles, which means that the cost to the insurance companies of hire cars have increased because they need to give policy holders hire cars for much longer than normal.
My insurance for both includes hire cars in the event I have a crash and they have to give me a like for like hire car and that’s difficult as they can’t palm me off with a small ICE car, but have to source a EV of comparable size and class and they are scarce at the moment.

No sure if fitted a “Kill Switch” would do much good because once the fire in the batteries start, it’s game over. If the fire starts in the HV batteries because of a fault in the pack, what can a kill switch do?

[2/cb]

I think the Luton airport fire will be the beginning of the end for the current generation of EVs in the UK. Since UK is the world’s sixth largest economy there may be global repercussions.
I have been very critical of EVs and their enthusiasts on this forum but can you blame me? I am no petrol-head; for me a car is just transport. Today I picked up my new petrol hybrid ( a Toyota Yaris Cross if anyone’s interested) and it seemed to tick the appropriate boxes. I think the ‘pure’ EV is a dead end.

[KhunLA]

No

Great input yet again KhunLA - care to expand?

insurance ... Just renewed @ 11.4k, seems about right since EV valued at 500k more than ICE version

CS (charging station) inexpensive & available
Home... inexpensive for most (we use Solar)

Parts ... brand dependent, and wouldn't think an issue for MG, since CH made & close.

[STEVE G]

I think the Luton airport fire will be the beginning of the end for the current generation of EVs in the UK....

That's an interesting idea seeing as the fire was caused by a diesel Range Rover.

[pharvey]

I think the Luton airport fire will be the beginning of the end for the current generation of EVs in the UK....

That's an interesting idea seeing as the fire was caused by a diesel Range Rover.

For argument's sake: -

"AA technical expert Greg Carter said the most common cause of car fires is an electrical fault with the 12-volt battery system. He added that diesel is “much less flammable” than petrol and in a car it takes “intense pressure or sustained flame” to ignite diesel."

For me, I think the mindset/immediate reaction was it must be connected to an EV - in recent months there's been a great deal in the news regarding (Chinese) battery failures etc., Chinese quality and so on. At the end of the day, incident such as this beit with diesel, petrol or an EV will ultimately be down to an electrical fault - which is the higher risk?

Of course it's not going to be the "end for the current generation of EV's in the UK", but it will certainly add to the mistrust perhaps...

And no, I'm not anti-EV - I just recognise the issues.

[Nereus]

It is possible that the DPF (diesel particulate filter) has caught fire if the car was indeed a diesel Range Rover. More so if the car had just climbed up a few ramps to a high floor parking level, and there was anything flammable around the filter.

[Dannie Boy]

Another “breakthrough” story regarding EV batteries, but one of these days I’m sure we really will get something genuinely game changing- maybe this is it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/new- ... 27683.html


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[hhinner]

I think the Luton airport fire will be the beginning of the end for the current generation of EVs in the UK....

That's an interesting idea seeing as the fire was caused by a diesel Range Rover.

But was there an ev in close proximity that could get hot enough to cause thermal runaway in its battery and thus exacerbate the intensity of the fire?

[STEVE G]

I think the Luton airport fire will be the beginning of the end for the current generation of EVs in the UK....

That's an interesting idea seeing as the fire was caused by a diesel Range Rover.

But was there an ev in close proximity that could get hot enough to cause thermal runaway in its battery and thus exacerbate the intensity of the fire?

There was a similar fire in Liverpool in 2017 that also had nothing to do with EVs:
How 1,000C car park inferno vaporised the FLOOR: Apocalyptic images show gutted multi-storey with no sprinklers where all 1,400 vehicles were reduced to ashes by heat that could melt aluminium
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... blaze.html

[STEVE G]

BYD Dolphin is Carbuyer Car of the Year 2024
BYD’s bargain EV is named Best Small Electric Car and overall Car of the Year in our sister site’s annual awards
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/3611 ... -year-2024

And that is in the UK where the model they had cost 30,000gbp, the same spec is available in Thailand for 850,000bt which is less than 20,000gbp and the base model is less than 15k.

[caller]

And that is in the UK where the model they had cost 30,000gbp, the same spec is available in Thailand for 850,000bt which is less than 20,000gbp and the base model is less than 15k.

Yes, but they face no import duty, and buyers get a 250,000 subsidy. Unless they build them here, when duty is imposed, that price will shoot up.

[Dannie Boy]

And that is in the UK where the model they had cost 30,000gbp, the same spec is available in Thailand for 850,000bt which is less than 20,000gbp and the base model is less than 15k.

Yes, but they face no import duty, and buyers get a 250,000 subsidy. Unless they build them here, when duty is imposed, that price will shoot up.

So as the saying goes, “strike while the iron’s hot”!!

[STEVE G]

And that is in the UK where the model they had cost 30,000gbp, the same spec is available in Thailand for 850,000bt which is less than 20,000gbp and the base model is less than 15k.

Yes, but they face no import duty, and buyers get a 250,000 subsidy. Unless they build them here, when duty is imposed, that price will shoot up.

BYD are building a factory in Rayong to be in operation by next year.

[caller]

BYD are building a factory in Rayong to be in operation by next year.

Does anyone know what tax is imposed for new cars built in Thailand? I have often wondered this, in view of their cost here.

[KhunLA]

BYD are building a factory in Rayong to be in operation by next year.

Does anyone know what tax is imposed for new cars built in Thailand? I have often wondered this, in view of their cost here.

Excise tax on EV is 2 or 8%, I think, depending if qualifying for incentive, which is probably for 'made in TH' or 'agreed on, anyway, so 2%. Might depend if producing cars here already, as MG's ICEVs are made here, but the BEVs are not, but still get the 2%.

ICEVs, the excise tax is, or was much higher, and more like 20%. When we bought our Mazda 2 (2012?), when they had the excise tax rebate going, we received a rebate of 100k on a 515k purchase price. So about 20%. That purchase did not include insurance. Did include the 7% VAT.

Those buying the Nissan March about 375k price, got 60k baht. That price does include ins & VAT.