Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[STEVE G]

Has to be noted though that the EV's we have in Wales are damn powerful, caravan towing beasts!

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... d-26669413

The best part of that article is the final paragraph;

"It's not the first time such an incident has been captured on camera in Wales. Last year, a mobility scooter was spotted towing a caravan through the streets of Rhyl."

[dtaai-maai]

"It's not the first time such an incident has been captured on camera in Wales. Last year, a mobility scooter was spotted towing a caravan through the streets of Rhyl."

[EDIT: That was before I saw the article posted by pharvey bach, so just double the laughs...]

[Dannie Boy]

"It's not the first time such an incident has been captured on camera in Wales. Last year, a mobility scooter was spotted towing a caravan through the streets of Rhyl."

[EDIT: That was before I saw the article posted by pharvey bach, so just double the laughs...]

And to make it even funnier, isn’t that pharvey’s mobility scooter?

[pharvey]

And to make it even funnier, isn’t that pharvey’s mobility scooter?

..... And the LHG took the bloody video!

[Dannie Boy]

And to make it even funnier, isn’t that pharvey’s mobility scooter?

..... And the LHG took the bloody video!

And in Wales, is it correct that rather than quote how powerful the motor is in Horse Power, they measure it in Sheep Power

[pharvey]

And in Wales, is it correct that rather than quote how powerful the motor is in Horse Power, they measure it in Sheep Power

Wouldn't know TBH - we tend to have the wool pulled over our eyes

[Dannie Boy]

It’ll be interesting if MG launch this in Thailand - I’m sure they’ll be a big queue!!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... nt-filings

[Dannie Boy]

I submit positive and negative posts about EV’s - this one is negative!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2203017 ... not-happy/

They should concentrate on getting the basics right first, before expanding on any gimmicks!!

[STEVE G]

I submit positive and negative posts about EV’s - this one is negative!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2203017 ... not-happy/

They should concentrate on getting the basics right first, before expanding on any gimmicks!!

My main reservation about buying a Tesla would be build quality because American car companies just don't have a reputation for that, or reliability.
It's one of the reasons why VW is selling a lot of EVs in Europe because people trust them more.

[pharvey]

I submit positive and negative posts about EV’s - this one is negative!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2203017 ... not-happy/

They should concentrate on getting the basics right first, before expanding on any gimmicks!!

My main reservation about buying a Tesla would be build quality because American car companies just don't have a reputation for that, or reliability.
It's one of the reasons why VW is selling a lot of EVs in Europe because people trust them more.

I've enjoyed a test drive of a Model Y recently and the Model S a few years (and upgrades) ago. I'm due to try the Model 3 (and Model Y again) in the next couple of months - why not if I can get away with it?! Plus, I'll have quite a few more questions to ask due to this thread!

All I can say is that I've been impressed (especially with performance). I certainly have my reservations - cost, UK infrastructure etc. but was not overly concerned with quality of the Tesla. That said, I/we were test driving top-of-the-range units, all singing, all dancing (and cost prohibitive). I currently drive a C-Class Mercedes CDI AMG - similar size really to the Model 3, but taking batteries or engine out of the equation, a far heavier car - and that's down to build quality IMHO. Weight is certainly an issue for EV's due to batteries and that will and must effect build quality quite frankly.

I posted the below a while back, but would add this guy is not one to accept cheap/poor build quality and never mentioned poor quality of the Model 3 to me.

Was speaking to a good friend today who has a Model 3 Tesla - actually not his choice, but a company car (poor bugger)... Anywho, some of his comments (based on his experience (Model 3)) - to be fair, the comments below are based purely on conversations we've had regarding Tesla's, in the UK and based on what I used to do travelling-wise (max 300-350 miles per day). So, actual comments - not mine, but there's a lot to be said....

"An Electric Go-Cart rather than car.....
F***ing heavy, so don't buy "low profiles" - 4 slow punctures in 2 months. If you touch a curb or pothole you're f*cked (think Thailand/HH)
Range is a LIE. All the car (sellers) tell you what you might get in optimum conditions. Actual ambient temp and driving style have a HUGE impact.
I know a lady who bought a mini with a range of 125 miles (in the sales pitch) - she gets 35 miles in winter.
I lose about 15 miles range on any night with temp below 5 deg C and maybe 30 miles with temp below 0.
LOTS of your battery power goes with heating the vehicle. (Cooling in the likes of Thailand obviously)
You will need to change your life, charging takes time - so lot's of coffee breaks on roads.
You will need to make sure you can charge at home.
Model Y looks nice - but Model 3 is awesome.
In honesty, I would buy a Hybrid if it was my money as infrastructure gaps are high.
I find my EV is perfect because I do a regular known commute and can plan use and charging.
If I need to do a long journey, I now plan it rather than just stopping at a (fuel) station.
All in all, electric is in my experience OK, but will be optimal in 2-3 years time.
Also check if you have a minimum 50kW charger (or better a 110 kW) within a few miles of home!"

[STEVE G]

I flew into Luxembourg airport this afternoon and there were at least 4 Tesla's in the taxi rank outside, two model S, a Y and a 3, so people making a living out of cars seem to be able to make them work.
Ten years ago that taxi rank here was almost entirely Mercedes diesels but there aren't many of them left and the most common taxi here now seems to be the Toyota Prius but there are plenty of Hyundai EVs and even a few BYDs being used.

[Motyduke]

In the condo where i live in HH, i see more and more electric cars in the car park...BYD,MG, Neva.... But the condo is not equipped with any charger at all. I think some people are bangkokians who come for week end but some are living here. How they do to charge their cars ?? There are enough public chargers in the city ? No need to have at home to charge in the night ?

[Dannie Boy]

I submit positive and negative posts about EV’s - this one is negative!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2203017 ... not-happy/

They should concentrate on getting the basics right first, before expanding on any gimmicks!!

My main reservation about buying a Tesla would be build quality because American car companies just don't have a reputation for that, or reliability.
It's one of the reasons why VW is selling a lot of EVs in Europe because people trust them more.

I've enjoyed a test drive of a Model Y recently and the Model S a few years (and upgrades) ago. I'm due to try the Model 3 (and Model Y again) in the next couple of months - why not if I can get away with it?! Plus, I'll have quite a few more questions to ask due to this thread!

All I can say is that I've been impressed (especially with performance). I certainly have my reservations - cost, UK infrastructure etc. but was not overly concerned with quality of the Tesla. That said, I/we were test driving top-of-the-range units, all singing, all dancing (and cost prohibitive). I currently drive a C-Class Mercedes CDI AMG - similar size really to the Model 3, but taking batteries or engine out of the equation, a far heavier car - and that's down to build quality IMHO. Weight is certainly an issue for EV's due to batteries and that will and must effect build quality quite frankly.

I posted the below a while back, but would add this guy is not one to accept cheap/poor build quality and never mentioned poor quality of the Model 3 to me.

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I’m going to have to disagree with you on a couple of issues here Pete - if you do a search for Tesla build quality you’ll find a lot and a lot of relatively negative comments and whilst things do seem to be getting better, they have a long way to go to be up there with the big motor manufacturers, although some of them have reliability issues too. The Tesla 3 appears to be the best of what they have to offer.

Also, regarding build quality, all EV’s are inherently heavy and of course the bigger the battery, the more weight you have to carry, but weight and build quality are not necessarily mutually exclusive - you just need greater engineering input to overcome the increased weight dynamics.

As far as performance goes, Tesla were the pioneers of being fast and affordable with reasonable range, so that in itself was a good thing because it forces other manufacturers to do likewise.

Personally I’ve never sat in a Tesla so can’t give an accurate report, but having looked through the windows I wasn’t overly impressed with the layout on the earlier models - to me they looked cheap and cheerful - things may have moved on by now!!

[Gregjam]

Was at MV early over the weekend and there was a queue for the chargers. Until the infrastructure is in place I would only consider a hybrid but still I will wait as the technology is improving so rapidly. And prices falling too hopefully.

[Dannie Boy]

I’ve mentioned this many times before, but I have an MG HS PHEV, and for most of my journeys, I can complete 100% in EV mode, such that the use of petrol equates to an equivalent of >300mpg. If you have a fast charger installed at your home, you can go from 10-100% in 3 hours (just over 6 if you use a standard socket) - the range has dropped from an initial 67 km to 65 km after 2 and a bit years.

As long as the MG continues fault free, I’ll keep it until hopefully EV’s and the infrastructure are cheaper/better than currently available.