Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[caller]

https://www.plugshare.com/location/353576

I knew Bluport had them as well, but I am sursprised just how many there are in town. The caveat, I guess, is that you have to be staying at the various hotels that provide this service to be able to use them.

[KhunLA]

Noticed 1 restaurant / hotel (Sailom) even has one, free if dining / staying there. If dining there for 30-60mins, could easily top your EV from 20-100%

[lindosfan1]

Quite an amusing article on why not to buy an electric car.

Giles Coren:
Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car
As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our dead car safe before abandoning it a mile short of home, full of luggage on a country lane, it occurs to me not for the first time that if we are going to save the planet we will have to find another way. Because electric cars are not the answer.
Yes, it’s the Jaguar again. My doomed bloody £65,000 iPace that has done nothing but fail at everything it was supposed to do for more than two years now, completely dead this time, its lifeless corpse blocking the single-track road.
I can’t even roll it to a safer spot because it can’t be put in neutral. For when an electric car dies, it dies hard. And then lies there as big and grey and not-going-anywhere as the poacher-slain bull elephant I once saw rotting by a roadside in northern Kenya. Just a bit less smelly.
Not that this is unusual. Since I bought my eco dream car in late 2020, in a deluded Thunbergian frenzy, it has spent more time off the road than on it, beached at the dealership for months at a time on account of innumerable electrical calamities, while I galumph around in the big diesel “courtesy cars” they send me under the terms of the warranty.
But this time I don’t want one. And I don’t want my own car back either. I have asked the guys who sold it to me to sell it again, as soon as it is fixed, to the first mug who walks into the shop. Because I am going back to petrol while there is still time.
And if the government really does ban new wet fuel cars after 2030, then we will eventually have to go back to horses. Because the electric vehicle industry is no readier to get a family home from Cornwall at Christmas time (as I was trying to do) than it is to fly us all to Jupiter. The cars are useless, the infrastructure is not there and you’re honestly better off walking. Even on the really long journeys. In fact, especially on the long journeys. The short ones they can just about manage. It’s no wonder Tesla shares are down 71 per cent. It’s all a huge fraud. And, for me, it’s over.
Yet the new owner of my “preloved” premium electric vehicle, fired with a messianic desire to make a better world for his children, will not know this. He will be delighted with his purchase and overjoyed to find there are still six months of warranty left, little suspecting that once that has expired — and with it the free repairs and replacement cars for those long spells off road — he will be functionally carless.
He will be over the moon to learn that it has “a range of up to 292 miles”. No need to tell him what that really means is “220 miles”. Why electric carmakers are allowed to tell these lies is a mystery to me. As it soon will be to him.
Although for the first few days he won’t worry especially. He’ll think he can just nip into a fuel station and charge it up again. Ho ho ho. No need to tell him that two out of three roadside chargers in this country are broken or busy at any one time. Or that the built-in “find my nearest charge point” function doesn’t work, has never worked, and isn’t meant to work.
Or that apps like Zap-Map don’t work either because the chargers they send you to are always either busy or broken or require a membership card you don’t have or an app you can’t download because there’s no 5G here, in the middle of nowhere, where you will now probably die.
Or that the Society of Motor Manufacturers said this week that only 23 new chargers are being installed nationwide each day, of the 100 per day that were promised (as a proud early adopter, I told myself that charging would become easier as the network grew, but it hasn’t grown, while the number of e-drivers has tripled, so it’s actually harder now than it was two years ago).
There are, of course, plus sides to electric ownership. Such as the camaraderie when we encounter each other, tired and weeping at yet another service station with only two chargers, one of which still has the “this fault has been reported” sign on it from when you were here last August, and the other is of the measly 3kWh variety, which means you will have to spend the night in a Travelodge while your stupid drum lazily inhales enough juice to get home.
Together, in the benighted charging zone, we leccy drivers laugh about what fools we are and drool over the diesel hatchbacks nonchalantly filling up across the way (“imagine getting to a fuel station and knowing for sure you will be able to refuel!”) and talk in the hour-long queue at Exeter services about the petrol car we will buy as soon as we get home.
We filled up there last week on the way back from Cornwall, adding two hours to our four-hour journey, by which time Esther wasn’t speaking to me. She’s been telling me to get rid of the iPace since it ruined last summer’s holidays in both Wales and Devon (“If you won’t let us fly any more, at least buy a car that can get us to the places we’re still allowed to go!”).
But I kept begging her to give me one last chance, as if I’d refused to give up a mistress, rather than a dull family car. Until this time, a couple of miles from home, when a message flashed up on the dash: “Assisted braking not available — proceed with caution.” Then: “Steering control unavailable.”
And then, as I inched off the dual carriageway at our turnoff, begging it to make the last mile, children weeping at the scary noises coming from both car and father: “Gearbox fault detected.” CLUNK. WHIRRR. CRACK.
And dead. Nothing. Poached elephant. I called Jaguar Assist (there is a button in the roof that does it directly — most useful feature on the car) who told me they could have a mechanic there in four hours (who would laugh and say, “Can’t help you, pal. You’ve got a software issue there. I’m just a car mechanic. And this isn’t a car, it’s a laptop on wheels.”)
So Esther and the kids headed for home across the sleety wastes, a vision of post-apocalyptic misery like something out of Cormac McCarthy, while I saw out 2022 waiting for a tow-truck. Again.
But don’t let that put you off. I see in the paper that electric car sales are at record levels and production is struggling to keep up with demand. So why not buy mine? It’s clean as a whistle and boasts super-low mileage. After all, it’s hardly been driven . . .

[handdrummer]

There's an article on the Yahoo news site about a Tesla, that for no reason, stopped working while being driven and caused an 8-car accident.

[Dannie Boy]

Quite an amusing article on why not to buy an electric car.

Giles Coren:
Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car
As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our dead car safe before abandoning it a mile short of home, full of luggage on a country lane, it occurs to me not for the first time that if we are going to save the planet we will have to find another way. Because electric cars are not the answer.
Yes, it’s the Jaguar again. My doomed bloody £65,000 iPace that has done nothing but fail at everything it was supposed to do for more than two years now, completely dead this time, its lifeless corpse blocking the single-track road.
I can’t even roll it to a safer spot because it can’t be put in neutral. For when an electric car dies, it dies hard. And then lies there as big and grey and not-going-anywhere as the poacher-slain bull elephant I once saw rotting by a roadside in northern Kenya. Just a bit less smelly.
Not that this is unusual. Since I bought my eco dream car in late 2020, in a deluded Thunbergian frenzy, it has spent more time off the road than on it, beached at the dealership for months at a time on account of innumerable electrical calamities, while I galumph around in the big diesel “courtesy cars” they send me under the terms of the warranty.
But this time I don’t want one. And I don’t want my own car back either. I have asked the guys who sold it to me to sell it again, as soon as it is fixed, to the first mug who walks into the shop. Because I am going back to petrol while there is still time.
And if the government really does ban new wet fuel cars after 2030, then we will eventually have to go back to horses. Because the electric vehicle industry is no readier to get a family home from Cornwall at Christmas time (as I was trying to do) than it is to fly us all to Jupiter. The cars are useless, the infrastructure is not there and you’re honestly better off walking. Even on the really long journeys. In fact, especially on the long journeys. The short ones they can just about manage. It’s no wonder Tesla shares are down 71 per cent. It’s all a huge fraud. And, for me, it’s over.
Yet the new owner of my “preloved” premium electric vehicle, fired with a messianic desire to make a better world for his children, will not know this. He will be delighted with his purchase and overjoyed to find there are still six months of warranty left, little suspecting that once that has expired — and with it the free repairs and replacement cars for those long spells off road — he will be functionally carless.
He will be over the moon to learn that it has “a range of up to 292 miles”. No need to tell him what that really means is “220 miles”. Why electric carmakers are allowed to tell these lies is a mystery to me. As it soon will be to him.
Although for the first few days he won’t worry especially. He’ll think he can just nip into a fuel station and charge it up again. Ho ho ho. No need to tell him that two out of three roadside chargers in this country are broken or busy at any one time. Or that the built-in “find my nearest charge point” function doesn’t work, has never worked, and isn’t meant to work.
Or that apps like Zap-Map don’t work either because the chargers they send you to are always either busy or broken or require a membership card you don’t have or an app you can’t download because there’s no 5G here, in the middle of nowhere, where you will now probably die.
Or that the Society of Motor Manufacturers said this week that only 23 new chargers are being installed nationwide each day, of the 100 per day that were promised (as a proud early adopter, I told myself that charging would become easier as the network grew, but it hasn’t grown, while the number of e-drivers has tripled, so it’s actually harder now than it was two years ago).
There are, of course, plus sides to electric ownership. Such as the camaraderie when we encounter each other, tired and weeping at yet another service station with only two chargers, one of which still has the “this fault has been reported” sign on it from when you were here last August, and the other is of the measly 3kWh variety, which means you will have to spend the night in a Travelodge while your stupid drum lazily inhales enough juice to get home.
Together, in the benighted charging zone, we leccy drivers laugh about what fools we are and drool over the diesel hatchbacks nonchalantly filling up across the way (“imagine getting to a fuel station and knowing for sure you will be able to refuel!”) and talk in the hour-long queue at Exeter services about the petrol car we will buy as soon as we get home.
We filled up there last week on the way back from Cornwall, adding two hours to our four-hour journey, by which time Esther wasn’t speaking to me. She’s been telling me to get rid of the iPace since it ruined last summer’s holidays in both Wales and Devon (“If you won’t let us fly any more, at least buy a car that can get us to the places we’re still allowed to go!”).
But I kept begging her to give me one last chance, as if I’d refused to give up a mistress, rather than a dull family car. Until this time, a couple of miles from home, when a message flashed up on the dash: “Assisted braking not available — proceed with caution.” Then: “Steering control unavailable.”
And then, as I inched off the dual carriageway at our turnoff, begging it to make the last mile, children weeping at the scary noises coming from both car and father: “Gearbox fault detected.” CLUNK. WHIRRR. CRACK.
And dead. Nothing. Poached elephant. I called Jaguar Assist (there is a button in the roof that does it directly — most useful feature on the car) who told me they could have a mechanic there in four hours (who would laugh and say, “Can’t help you, pal. You’ve got a software issue there. I’m just a car mechanic. And this isn’t a car, it’s a laptop on wheels.”)
So Esther and the kids headed for home across the sleety wastes, a vision of post-apocalyptic misery like something out of Cormac McCarthy, while I saw out 2022 waiting for a tow-truck. Again.
But don’t let that put you off. I see in the paper that electric car sales are at record levels and production is struggling to keep up with demand. So why not buy mine? It’s clean as a whistle and boasts super-low mileage. After all, it’s hardly been driven . . .

Even though this may not be “typical” of what other Jaguar iPace owners have experienced, it’s sufficient to put a lot of potential buyers off for a very long time. Articles like this make the Government’s plans to ban the sale of pure ICE cars from 2030 look ridiculous - will they be forced (like so often the Thai Government) in backtracking, or will all the lanes be full of broken down EV’s in 10 years time?

[Dannie Boy]

In fact it’s starting already - Scotland is proposing a 2 year delay until 2032!!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... s-ban-2032

[handdrummer]

Governments need to stop the banning and let the marketplace decide. If more people want EVs, they'll buy them, if not, they won't.
Until there's enough infrastructure and a secure electricity supply, it's pointless to mandate EV ownership.

[Dannie Boy]

But unfortunately the marketplace doesn’t necessarily take into account external factors like climate change and the environmental pressures, without Government pressure - obviously banning their sale is the ultimate effect!! So the Governments need to be more realistic and only impose cut-off dates that fit with technology and infrastructure improvements - at the moment they have no idea whether 2030 is going to be achievable or not (but it’s looking doubtful).

[STEVE G]

Yes, fossil fuels have to go and time is running out, the problems won't go away by delaying anything, they will just be multiplied.
Coal was the fuel of the 19th century and oil of the 20th and now it's time to advance, it's why we don't still live in caves!

[sateeb]

Slightly tongue in cheek but here goes. Some of our dear posters are at the latter stages of their lives and care not one iota about the future of the planet. I'm sure that had they been at that age at the beginning of the 20th century they would have been ranting on the horse drawn carriage vs motor car debate.

[Dannie Boy]

Although most of the “old-timers” will have children/grandchildren that they will have some concern about. I’ve gone halfway with a PHEV but would consider a full EV once(if) the prices become more reasonable and the technology/infrastructure match. Whether I’ll live long enough for those to combine, only somebody else knows!!

[KhunLA]

Although most of the “old-timers” will have children/grandchildren that they will have some concern about. I’ve gone halfway with a PHEV but would consider a full EV once(if) the prices become more reasonable and the technology/infrastructure match. Whether I’ll live long enough for those to combine, only somebody else knows!!

MG BEVs are well priced, and about the same as top end, local made popular ICEs:
... EP PLUS @ ฿771K
... ZS @ ฿949K

With a few others priced < ฿1 M
Infrastructure & CSs (Charging Stations) seem to be quite adequate now, though during weekends & holidays, read there was a Q or 3 from other EV owners. Seems more CSs popping up much quicker than needed, for the amount of new BEVs hitting the roads. So far, so good.

We've done 2 overnight O&A (out & abouts) that required using CSs, and no Qs at all.

[handdrummer]

Although most of the “old-timers” will have children/grandchildren that they will have some concern about. I’ve gone halfway with a PHEV but would consider a full EV once(if) the prices become more reasonable and the technology/infrastructure match. Whether I’ll live long enough for those to combine, only somebody else knows!!

MG BEVs are well priced, and about the same as top end, local made popular ICEs:
... EP PLUS @ ฿771K
... ZS @ ฿949K

With a few others priced < ฿1 M
Infrastructure & CSs (Charging Stations) seem to be quite adequate now, though during weekends & holidays, read there was a Q or 3 from other EV owners. Seems more CSs popping up much quicker than needed, for the amount of new BEVs hitting the roads. So far, so good.

We've done 2 overnight O&A (out & abouts) that required using CSs, and no Qs at all.

Do you live in Thailand or the UK? The UK and the US are where the problems are and it's the usual cart before the horse.

[KhunLA]

Do you live in Thailand or the UK? The UK and the US are where the problems are and it's the usual cart before the horse.

Live in TH, PKK, municipality. Saw the news-blips of hours long Qs in the UK over NY holiday. Even one of the local EV owner's here posted there were some CSs occupied when he was O&A during NY holiday here in TH. No long Qs, just had to wait for one to finish up.

I actually welcome the wait time at CS, after 3 ish hours on the road. Usually about 45 minutes to top up. Stretch, toilet, along w/dog getting a sniff & watering the grass. Grab a munch, check internet, check for accommodations/restaurants at destination, and charging usually done before we're done on our phones

O&A during holidays ... no ... I don't do that, even when having the ICE ... No Thanks, on just the traffic. That's mad.

Added plus for us, we charge at home w/Solar.

[handdrummer]

Do you live in Thailand or the UK? The UK and the US are where the problems are and it's the usual cart before the horse.

Live in TH, PKK, municipality. Saw the news-blips of hours long Qs in the UK over NY holiday. Even one of the local EV owner's here posted there were some CSs occupied when he was O&A during NY holiday here in TH. No long Qs, just had to wait for one to finish up.

I actually welcome the wait time at CS, after 3 ish hours on the road. Usually about 45 minutes to top up. Stretch, toilet, along w/dog getting a sniff & watering the grass. Grab a munch, check internet, check for accommodations/restaurants at destination, and charging usually done before we're done on our phones

O&A during holidays ... no ... I don't do that, even when having the ICE ... No Thanks, on just the traffic. That's mad.

Added plus for us, we charge at home w/Solar.

Solar charging would be the way to do it at home.