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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by HHTel » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:56 pm

The point of English is not to be able to communicate with the expats. That would be the reason to learn Thai, not because it's needed, but a personal goal to be able to communicate with the locals. The reason for learning English goes way beyond that. It's needed in order to better oneself in the world. English is the accepted 'international language'. It's the official language of ASEAN and the AEU. People who are native English speakers, like myself, do not NEED to learn other languages to progress. In that respect we are very lucky. It doesn't help when Cha cha cha tells students that Thai is more important and that one day the world will speak Thai!!

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by 404cameljockey » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:13 pm

I laugh at the comments 'how many farang can speak Thai, then?'

The point is 'how many need to?' Or 'how many would increase their career prospects by speaking Thai?' Or even 'how many are young enough still to absorb another language?' :D

English is still (for now) the Lingua Franca of the world. To have the chance to learn it at school and not to is a shame.

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by 404cameljockey » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:13 pm

HHTel wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:56 pm
The point of English is not to be able to communicate with the expats. That would be the reason to learn Thai, not because it's needed, but a personal goal to be able to communicate with the locals. The reason for learning English goes way beyond that. It's needed in order to better oneself in the world. English is the accepted 'international language'. It's the official language of ASEAN and the AEU. People who are native English speakers, like myself, do not NEED to learn other languages to progress. In that respect we are very lucky. It doesn't help when Cha cha cha tells students that Thai is more important and that one day the world will speak Thai!!
Precisely.

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by Takiap » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:20 am

Dannie Boy wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:12 pm
Phyton wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:44 pm
Most members of this forum live in Thailand, many are also married to a Thai woman. Who speaks Thai?
Yes it’s very easy to criticise Thais in general, with their ability to speak English (or lack thereof), but I’m certain that it’s still a lot better than the % of English speakers who can speak Thai. When I first met my wife, she could hardly speak a word of English whereas she’s now fluent, whereas my Thai by comparison is appalling.
My missus/ex could speak some English when we met, and I think this sort of led to me not learning to speak Thai. Then she spent some time in my country, followed by two years in Scotland where she never met even one Thai person. Today she can read, write and speak English and if that weren't the case, her life right now would be a lot different to what it is.

Thanks to her command of the English language, she was able to land a good job even though she never had all the right qualifications. Yes, she got the job only because of her English skills; a job which has allowed her to earn a good wage; enough to buy a property, a car, and to visit several different countries.

Without English, she would never have been able to enjoy the sort of life she has now unless she married into money.

Now, if I were to learn Thai, I can't see how it could possibly have the same impact on my life. Beyond Thailand's borders, the Thai language is dead. I can speak a second language, but I have never had the opportunity to do so since the day I left my country back in 1995.

I'm sorry, but comparing people who can't speak English to people who can't speak Thai is simply absurd.

Learning Thai can add a touch of convenience for as long as I am in the country. Learning English, on the other hand, can alter the course of a Thai person's life completely, as it did with my missus/ex.

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by HHTel » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 am

I'm sorry, but comparing people who can't speak English to people who can't speak Thai is simply absurd.
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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by buksida » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:13 am

HHTel wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 am
I'm sorry, but comparing people who can't speak English to people who can't speak Thai is simply absurd.
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:agree: This has jack shit to do with the ability of expats to speak Thai. It is about the failings of the bloated and inefficient education system and the sense of entitlement that most students seem to have here - they simply don't care, which is pretty sad really when you compare Thailand to its ASEAN neighbours who are mostly way ahead of them.
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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by Phyton » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:45 pm

HHTel wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 am
I'm sorry, but comparing people who can't speak English to people who can't speak Thai is simply absurd.
:thumb:
If I choose to live in another country, then it has something to do with respect for the local people, to learn their language.
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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by HHTel » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:13 pm

Phyton wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:45 pm
HHTel wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 am
I'm sorry, but comparing people who can't speak English to people who can't speak Thai is simply absurd.
:thumb:
If I choose to live in another country, then it has something to do with respect for the local people, to learn their language.
Agree to a point but has nothing to do with the subject matter. i.e. the low proficiency of English in the Thai community.

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by StevePIraq » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:59 pm

Low proficiency in the English language is only to be expected in Thailand.
Most Thais see no need to speak English or any other language. This is the case in numerous countries but Thailand is the extreme.
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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by johnjar » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:04 pm

Phyton wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:44 pm
Most members of this forum live in Thailand, many are also married to a Thai woman. Who speaks Thai?
Phyton Very good point :wink:

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by StevePIraq » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:07 pm

The thread is not about speaking Thai, it is about Thais low proficiency in English, the main language of the world.
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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by handdrummer » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:25 am

If you're wealthy you can always pay someone else to do everything for you.

I did have a good language experience at Tesco-Lotus today; I was holding 3 packages of meats and struggling to fill a 4th with ground pork when a lovely Thai woman came up to me, said, "Let me help.", took the bag from my hand and held it open while it filled it. I thanked her and offered to hold her bag so she could fill and she said, "Oh, there's no need, I'm a professional." Making a joke in a foreign language is most difficult.

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Re: Thais rank low again at English

Post by oakdale160 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:55 am

I have told this story previously but it is worth repeating. I sat having lunch with 3 older gentlemen who are retired here. They were all irritated that so many Thai people who deal with the public speak such poor English. These gentlemen--two were Germans and one was Swedish did NOT expect Thai people to speak German or Swedish but did expect them to speak English for after all, they had had to learn English.

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