Property in Hua Hin

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Not sure if this is the right thread, forum or board to discussing the pros of going so call “native” and certainly won’t get a sympathetic responsive if you have just slagged off 80% of the members.

Like it or not but the make-up of HH is in part now dependant on farang tourists and expats who choose to dip their toes in various degrees of the local culture and lifestyle.

It’s only natural that expats tend to group together but this is probably more due to the style and type of properties forcing communities to grow that way than buyers choosing their neighbours.

Maybe if developers offered properties that were equally attractive to Thai and farangs then a more mixed community would evolve. So SJ don’t forget to add the agricultural bit on to your next development :)

I think you only apparently bump into more personality disorders simply as you tend to be more sociable as expats where you would simply ignore them in your home country.

hhfrang my appols for forgetting that those on a tight budget have to be more cautious on purchases I’m sure a few years back you could be a bit more frivolous :)
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I suspect the poster's frustrations stem from the fact that he could'nt afford to live in a "farang style" estate on a teachers salary. 28yrs old without any prospect of a decent retirement pension.

i myself am 52yrs old and worked bloody hard(in the UK) so that I could live comfortably in the manner of my choosing.

When I retired early and moved to Thailand I had a 5 year wait until my pension kicked in at age 50 so I taught English at High School level so ,yes I did meet many young teachers that came out here and when I asked them what the future holds for them they had no idea,most of them were tossers that wouldn't know a days hard work if it hit them in the face and preferred to hang out with other ,and I use the term jokingly,teachers in cheap bars bitching about anything and everything. Most long term ex pats avoided these bars like the plague.

GLC...I understand your frustrations mate,just don't vent it at people who have worked long and hard to enjoy the fruits of their labours and don't wanna live in a crappy place with Soi dogs howling all night.
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Here's my 2 baht's worth... coming from a person who followed his dream and built his dream house in Hua Hin planning to live out the rest of his life in it after a successful 35 year IT career in the U.S. with little or no financial problems ever (even including two divorces). If I ever sell my property here I will never buy another. I will rent which leaves me mobile and I will buy my wife some land where she wants to live after I'm ashes. I can't imagine going through the building nightmare I did for two plus years again at my age.

If you are young and have a lot of earning years to go to live on/in a property and to let the economy settle and homes appreciate, go for it. If you are retiring here, I suggest (from personal experience) that you either buy a small condo or rent to keep from throwing away all you have worked for all your life.
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But hasn't your property increased significantly in value based on your valuation/selling price hhf? Would it be in the region of a 50% increase? I know it's difficult to sell properties at the moment, particularly large one's as there's far less of a customer base, but that's the same everywhere in the world. We have an unneccessarily large house to maintain too (not your size though :D ), and it's been a burden during these last few years with the additional costs it incurrs... but that's my fault, my poor judgement, it's got naff all to do with the property though... the land, bricks & mortar have played their part and increased in value, just as yours has.

Mine and your governments, financial institutions, regulators etc are the one's who've put us in a mess, together with us getting all carried away and not planning for it and having our heads in the clouds thinking exchange rates would never crash. I never gave a moments thought for any of these things but I'm not going to start lying to myself and blaming my 7m Baht property that doubled in value in a few years. You can't bemoan your property while holding out for a handsome 30%, 50%, 70% profit. Can you? :?

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One finds out the true worth of his property when it goes on the market and punters make offers. Until then its all air and wishful thinking.
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Yes, SJ, hopefully it has appreciated, but I'll have to find a buyer to prove that. And yes, of course you're right about the financial problems originating mostly in my own home country. When I made the decision to move here (2002) I knew the 44 baht to the dollar would't hold up but according to all the financial expert's articles I read back then it was expected to settle in the 36 range, but I guess they didn't count on a world wide recession (everywhere except Thailand it seems :D ) nor did they predict the housing bubble. When I bought the land (2003) the baht was still in the 42/43 range and when I began construction (2004) it was still around 41.5 so I never expected it to drop to 29 (and I doubt that is the bottom). I have nobody to blame really except myself and the people who directly influenced my thinking when I moved here :wink: . I would just like to help others to keep from making the same mistakes. Like I've said before, it's different for you youngsters who have some earning years and potential left. For me, being retired on a fixed income it may have been a fatal mistake.

One of the mistakes I also made in not looking deep enough into my crystal ball was that I bought property and built a home for me to live in for the rest of my life, so I wasn't concerned about designing it for resale. If I had predicted the situation now, I would have done things differently with regards to the home and the garden to make it appeal to a bigger selection of prospective buyers. I've lost sales due to lack of a pool, maids quarters, Thai kitchen, and simply because the garden is too big. In most cases when I thought I had serious buyers except for one of those items I've offered a big enough discount on the spot for them to do what they want (like a million baht to build a pool), but those particular buyers didn't seem to want the hassle of construction or redesign.

Another problem that you need to be careful of if you are building in a relatively new area like I did is what happens in a few years around your property that you have no control over. I lost a couple of sales early on because of the mess the infrastructure outside my property has deteriorated into since I built, plus across the street is one of the worst builder's developments in Hua Hin. He ran out of money and now there are ruins of ghost homes that will never be finished as well as unmaintained property still held by him and construction rubble just left all along the road ruining the appearance of the entire neighborhood. Even if I maintain my home in perfect condition people don't like the road or what is across it, as well as the unmaintained mess (on all sides) around it. Having lived or owned property in four states back in the U.S. where there are strict zoning, construction, and litter laws, as well as ongoing infrastructure maintenance, I have to admit that these things didn't even occur to me as possibilities at the time. Maybe there is a good point to buying in an already built out established neighborhood to avoid such problems.

Also, when I came, there were not many builders in the area that we could find that were capable of building a home to the standards that we required. We interviewed many from local Thai builders to huge house building companies based in Bangkok and after making what I thought was an informed choice, I still went through two and a half years of the worst nightmarish hell of my life in actually getting the home constructed. I was on the building site every day and if I hadn't been it probably still wouldn't be finished... :shock:
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hhfarang wrote:One of the mistakes I also made in not looking deep enough into my crystal ball was that I bought property and built a home for me to live in for the rest of my life, so I wasn't concerned about designing it for resale.
It's funny you are saying that, because that is exactly what I tell to all of our clients! Of course they say "I'm not planning to sell!" but I tell them "You never know when you have to sell!"
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PS. Even if you live the rest of your live there, it doesn't mean your wife will want to stay there after you go to the greener pastures, and even if she does and lives the rest of her life there, it doesn't mean yur kids would want to hold on to the property after she joins you in the greener pastures. The property eventually will be sold one day.

My cousin built an octagonal house on his property even though I advised him not to. Two years later he was transferred to work in another state and his house is still on the market because there is just not much demand for a house like that.
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Crazy88, nice vid :)
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Good points from everyone. :)

HHF and TT, one of the things I will definately be looking at is re-saleability, would it be attractive to buyers, if I ever decided to sell. I guess over here ive always looked at house buying from that angle anyway, because you never know what the future holds. Thanks. :)
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Its a good idea to keep re-sale in the back of your mind and don't overpay. There are fewer customers for a 10 million baht house than for a 4 million baht house.
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I advised someone who is considering a new build to alter his layout slightly such that future mods or extentions were easy to do. He said but there is only two of them but I advised that shoud he wish to sell or circumstances change the ability to add a double parking, sala or room etc would give greater flexability and a selling point for buyers who like the location but wanted something a little bigger.

All he had to do was move the house over by 4ft and change a couple of internal walls allows the house to be simply expanded later. Its always a good idea to look at future maximisation on relatively small plots
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traveller2 wrote:Good points from everyone. :)HHF and TT, one of the things I will definately be looking at is re-saleability, would it be attractive to buyers, if I ever decided to sell.
As the pros say in the real estate business, you don't make money when you sell, you make money when you buy! :) :) :)
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Am I missing something here?
Why would you rent when you can appear buy for less money?

As an example this place with a private pool is ฿2,750,000 or $90,000aud to buy or $129/week @ 7.5%
Google this for details >>> HH001058 Located Hua Hin Boi Fai only 10 minutes north of Hua Hin

What appears to be the same property for rent on a 12 mth lease it is $164/week
Google this for details >>> R7538 House 2-Bedrooms 115 sq.m. Hua Hin, Central Hua Hin, Hua Hin soi.6

What are these and the area like, any comment?
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