Finding a Good 'Farang'

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Recently an old school-friend of my Thai g/f left her abusive husband and sought help from us. We've allowed her into our home and trying to find a good non-Thai man for her. It's become quite an experience. She doesn't speak much English and both ladies know little about foreigners, beyond me. This is a problem because I am, of course, perfect. :naughty:

Their naivety and lack of knowledge of the outside world is unbelievable. To them every foreigner must be better than a Thai man and I suppose, if you have been drunkenly beaten by one, for 18 years, you may be right.

So. Where to find this rarity? A good man.

Their first tactic was to get online. This was new to both of them and like giggling schoolgirls, they found someone to talk to. It seemed to be going well until, on Skype, they were chatting but came upon a word they were unfamiliar with. "Darling", my puzzled beau asked. "What P-U-S-S-Y mean?"

"What?" I responded, in knowing disbelief.

"P-U-S-S-Y. What mean?"

So I came away from my screen and walked over to look at what had been written. There, in video, was as unsavoury a Turkish man as you could find, lying on his bed, awaiting his moment of virtual pleasure, from his unworldly victim. "Please show me your P....."

Hmm... I explained what it meant and and they were, understandably, shocked.

'Why man do?'

'Welcome to the perils of internet dating', said I. Needless to say, the randy Turk was dispatched with haste.

Next came Plan B. It's off to the Hilton disco to find her a man. Even if nothing happened, it would be good for the lady to dance her sorrows away. Her husband never allowed it.

So, off the girls went, thinking the place would be filled with eager-to-be-married foreigners, carrying bags of money. The Hilton is filled with bar-girls, massage ladies, beauty salon workers and perhaps, a decent lady or two. Most men know this is where to go to get laid. At least, so I have heard.

The night started well. She's attractive and it didn't take long for someone to move in on her. They danced the night away, eyes sparkling, drink flowing and... giddy with joy... love started to blossom. You can tell because he kept trying to slip his hand down her skirt.

The two pals came home in the small hours and my usually quiet homebody g/f was not enjoying the rod she had created for her own back. Designated translator. The man was an Arab and very much married.

Two strikes.

Now came the time for me to sit them down and explain some of the facts of life. Experienced hands know what I mean. There are some nationalities out there that are better than others. If I had to make a list, I would say Canadians, Australians, Brits, Americans, northern Europeans. There are plenty of bad ones in amongst them but on balance I'd say your chances are better with these.

For the record. I am friends with a Turkish man and he's happily married, a good provider and a great guy.

Part of the problem is that outside Thailand, Thai ladies are widely regarded as prostitutes. This is unfair but the reputation of places like Pattaya helps create this perception. So the men that are hunting online are mostly 'mongers' and not serious about relationships. On the ladies side, dating sites are filled with bar and massage girls, on fishing expeditions, when the bars are closed. It's a huge game of I want your body versus I want your money. Somewhere in there you are trying to find love.

There are other reasons why online dating is fraught with risk. Perhaps the man is serious but after 4 years of tender messaging he suddenly decides he's not going to come to Thailand after all. There is a tendency for people to fantasize, creating false pictures in their mind.

All that aside, there must be places where people can meet that don't involve the internet or staying up until 4 am. The internet may be convenient and the bar quick but both offer poor prospects unless you have the patience and perseverance to message 100 men to find the 5 that are decent.

So, my fellow HHAD members, any suggestions?
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Mr Plum

If as you say..... she has recently left an abusive husband..... And I am not doubting you.....

From what you say.... She is coming across as desperate.....

Perhaps the best advice that you can give her......

Is to take some time to herself..... Forget looking for a man.....

Chill..... Take some me time..... And see what happens....

I may have mis-read the timeline..... If I have...... My apologies....
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Mr P.,
my only positive suggestion is that she tries to join a club or takes up a hobby/sport that also attracts the opposite sex of foreign nature.
The whole sport thing may be a big turn-off for a Thai girl though.... :roll:
I will certainly agree that the options you have already mentioned will not work for a genuine girl looking for l*ve or close too it.
It will be no easy task for her. The way I look at it; there are two type of guys in Thailand - those looking for a relationship and finding it as soon as the first beer is finished... and the second type looking for the cheap thrills only with no intention of settling with any girl despite her sincerity.
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try Thai Friendly,

if she only talks to men that actually live in Thailand then she has more chance of meeting someone after long time relationship.

Ask for a mobile number, if he does not have a thai mobile, walk away.
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I would say take a step back and don't play the dating game, skill up and get some English lessons would be a good start even if she doesn't meet anyone she is still gaining a life skill that should boost her confidence. Also maybe join a gym or a cycling club to give her more confidence and feel good about her self. Their are plenty of guys that look beyond the bar scene to try and find a good girl.

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A job as a waitress at Black Mountain perhaps.

I suspect another topic... 'How did you meet your partner?' might yield some ideas.
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If she can play some pool -and she does not need to be all that good at it -there are plenty of expats who actually live here full time that play in these leagues.

She needs to be able to at least nurse one drink for a while and not be shy. Not to be confused with brazen. Just friendly with a big 'ol smile.
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MrPlum wrote:Recently an old school-friend of my Thai g/f left her abusive husband and sought help from us. We've allowed her into our home and trying to find a good non-Thai man for her. It's become quite an experience. She doesn't speak much English and both ladies know little about foreigners, beyond me. This is a problem because I am, of course, perfect. :naughty:

Their naivety and lack of knowledge of the outside world is unbelievable. To them every foreigner must be better than a Thai man and I suppose, if you have been drunkenly beaten by one, for 18 years, you may be right.

So. Where to find this rarity? A good man.

Their first tactic was to get online. This was new to both of them and like giggling schoolgirls, they found someone to talk to. It seemed to be going well until, on Skype, they were chatting but came upon a word they were unfamiliar with. "Darling", my puzzled beau asked. "What P-U-S-S-Y mean?"

"What?" I responded, in knowing disbelief.

"P-U-S-S-Y. What mean?"

So I came away from my screen and walked over to look at what had been written. There, in video, was as unsavoury a Turkish man as you could find, lying on his bed, awaiting his moment of virtual pleasure, from his unworldly victim. "Please show me your P....."

Hmm... I explained what it meant and and they were, understandably, shocked.

'Why man do?'

'Welcome to the perils of internet dating', said I. Needless to say, the randy Turk was dispatched with haste.

Next came Plan B. It's off to the Hilton disco to find her a man. Even if nothing happened, it would be good for the lady to dance her sorrows away. Her husband never allowed it.

So, off the girls went, thinking the place would be filled with eager-to-be-married foreigners, carrying bags of money. The Hilton is filled with bar-girls, massage ladies, beauty salon workers and perhaps, a decent lady or two. Most men know this is where to go to get laid. At least, so I have heard.

The night started well. She's attractive and it didn't take long for someone to move in on her. They danced the night away, eyes sparkling, drink flowing and... giddy with joy... love started to blossom. You can tell because he kept trying to slip his hand down her skirt.

The two pals came home in the small hours and my usually quiet homebody g/f was not enjoying the rod she had created for her own back. Designated translator. The man was an Arab and very much married.

Two strikes.

Now came the time for me to sit them down and explain some of the facts of life. Experienced hands know what I mean. There are some nationalities out there that are better than others. If I had to make a list, I would say Canadians, Australians, Brits, Americans, northern Europeans. There are plenty of bad ones in amongst them but on balance I'd say your chances are better with these.

For the record. I am friends with a Turkish man and he's happily married, a good provider and a great guy.

Part of the problem is that outside Thailand, Thai ladies are widely regarded as prostitutes. This is unfair but the reputation of places like Pattaya helps create this perception. So the men that are hunting online are mostly 'mongers' and not serious about relationships. On the ladies side, dating sites are filled with bar and massage girls, on fishing expeditions, when the bars are closed. It's a huge game of I want your body versus I want your money. Somewhere in there you are trying to find love.

There are other reasons why online dating is fraught with risk. Perhaps the man is serious but after 4 years of tender messaging he suddenly decides he's not going to come to Thailand after all. There is a tendency for people to fantasize, creating false pictures in their mind.

All that aside, there must be places where people can meet that don't involve the internet or staying up until 4 am. The internet may be convenient and the bar quick but both offer poor prospects unless you have the patience and perseverance to message 100 men to find the 5 that are decent.

So, my fellow HHAD members, any suggestions?

It seems to me quite incredible that someone, with your well documented experience of Thailand, needs to ask such a question.

The fact that your wife's friend's level of English is poor is sufficient information - at this stage.

Once the, initial, carnal stage of said relationships have been satisfied reality prevails.

One realizes that something's missing -an ability to communicate!
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nanyang wrote:It seems to me quite incredible that someone, with your well documented experience of Thailand, needs to ask such a question.
The question is asked for all those who do not have my experience. Nor do I know all the various venues and clubs where foreigners congregate. I prefer a quiet home life.
Once the, initial, carnal stage of said relationships have been satisfied reality prevails. One realizes that something's missing -an ability to communicate!
Since we have been together a few years and she had no English when we met, the problem clearly was not insurmountable. In fact, I enjoyed the early months of relative silence. I would agree that, without communication, there is little to bring couples together except sex.
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I would suggest that she invest the time and effort in learning English. If she doesn't have a job then she has the time. It will expand her options considerably.
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Gosh. Something is desperately wrong here - I find myself agreeing with Kendo entirely. That must be a first for me :D 8) :mrgreen: :cheers: :duck: !

Step back - don't try to rush into the next relationship. Rebounds are *always* bad!
skill-up - if she wants a foreign man, English is no. 1, but she could consider other languages too
build a life - create some space for herself so she knows who she is and what she wants (really wants)
take it social - clubs, gyms, maybe discos, societies and the rest

If she wants a relationship, then that will get her there eventually I am sure. If she wants some fun along the way, well who doesn't! As long as it doesn't become the main focus, where's the harm in it?
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Korkenzieher wrote:Gosh. Something is desperately wrong here - I find myself agreeing with Kendo entirely. That must be a first for me :D 8) :mrgreen: :cheers: :duck: !

Step back - don't try to rush into the next relationship. Rebounds are *always* bad!
skill-up - if she wants a foreign man, English is no. 1, but she could consider other languages too
build a life - create some space for herself so she knows who she is and what she wants (really wants)
take it social - clubs, gyms, maybe discos, societies and the rest

If she wants a relationship, then that will get her there eventually I am sure. If she wants some fun along the way, well who doesn't! As long as it doesn't become the main focus, where's the harm in it?
Just out of curiosity - why is it that English is Number 1 priority for a Thai girl looking for a good farang?
We never seem to hear anyone advising the opposite - that for farang seeking Thai the priority is to learn Thai!
I personally only know one farang who went out of his way to learn Thai before finding a Thai wife. I'm sure that in that particular case there were other motives to learn the language, and also sure there will be other farang who have made the effort. But in the context of this topic it does seem a bit one sided to expect the Thai women to do the work? Ideally shouldn't it be 50/50?
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Mags, I think you've answered your own question. Very few Farang learn to speak Thai, so the lady in question can either sit on the side waiting and hoping for change, or she can learn English and have access to a larger pool of foreign men.


I don't mean that in a bad or selfish way.


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I think the truth is, it is very hard for older farang men to learn Thai. Much easier to learn languages (or anything new) if you are younger.
Thai women do need to learn English to meet farang men, that is if they want to talk.
A friend of mine in her late 30's, who speaks good English, was telling me that she couldn't meet farang men. I told her to find a bar (that has farang customers and no bar girls) and just go and buy herself a drink, sit there on her own and smile at the men. She had lots of men talk to her and buy her drinks. I think it confused them because it wasn't normal and she met lots of new friends.
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Takiap wrote:Mags, I think you've answered your own question. Very few Farang learn to speak Thai, so the lady in question can either sit on the side waiting and hoping for change, or she can learn English and have access to a larger pool of foreign men.


I don't mean that in a bad or selfish way.


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The beauty of learning English is that it is the 2nd language that most non-English speakers learn, so the lady in question could meet a German, a Scandinavian or ........... nationality and have a good chance that they can communicate which helps break down the barriers.
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