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Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by buksida » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:41 pm

Thirteen Thai airlines ordered to halt international flights for failing to meet international regulations will be reevaluated at the end of the month, the interim cabinet announced Tuesday.

Four days after the carriers had to suspend international flights for being out of compliance with the UN’s International Civil Aviation Organization’s requirements for safety and other standards, the cabinet said.

Nine major Thai airlines passed review by the UN body and the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand, but 13 did not. Domestic flights were unaffected.

The airlines that failed to pass international safety standards include low-cost domestic carriers such as Orient Thai Airlines, Thai VietJet Air and Siam Air Transport. The rest – mostly private charter jet and cargo carriers – are Mjets, K-Mile Air, Jet Asia Airways, AC Aviation, Siam Land Flying, Asia Atlantic Airlines, VIP Jets, H.S. Aviation, Advance Aviation and Skyview Airways.

The specific issues where the airlines fell short are not disclosed until they are given a chance to rectify them.

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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Big Boy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am

S44 grounds 12 airlines for re-certification

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha late Tuesday signed a Section 44 order to suspend international flights by a dozen small airlines that had not received new operator certificates from the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT), a spokesman said.

The measure affected 12 airlines, although together they account for just 2% of the market, and so will have little impact on the country's tourism-dependent economy.

And there is likely to be confusion. The airlines cited in the Section 44 order can still fly inside Thailand. The order bars them from any international flights

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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Nereus » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:34 am

This is just more of what started here:

http://www.huahinforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... es#p422338
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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Big Boy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 am

Worrying/confusing that they are still safe to fly within Thailand though.
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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Nereus » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:24 am

Big Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 am
Worrying/confusing that they are still safe to fly within Thailand though.
As posted previously, it has nothing to do with whether or not the aircraft is "safe". It is ALL to do with the certification and compliance process of each operators AOC(Air Operators Certificate).
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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by oakdale160 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:33 am

to be fair they knew that there were rules--nobody explained to them that the rules were ENFORCED.

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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Big Boy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:52 am

Nereus wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:24 am
Big Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 am
Worrying/confusing that they are still safe to fly within Thailand though.
As posted previously, it has nothing to do with whether or not the aircraft is "safe". It is ALL to do with the certification and compliance process of each operators AOC(Air Operators Certificate).
Sorry, my misunderstanding - I thought there were safety issues. :oops:

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The airlines that failed to pass international safety standards
Fake News I guess :wink:
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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by RCer » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:05 pm

Big Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:52 am
Nereus wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:24 am
Big Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 am
Worrying/confusing that they are still safe to fly within Thailand though.
As posted previously, it has nothing to do with whether or not the aircraft is "safe". It is ALL to do with the certification and compliance process of each operators AOC(Air Operators Certificate).
Sorry, my misunderstanding - I thought there were safety issues. :oops:

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The airlines that failed to pass international safety standards
Fake News I guess :wink:
Which could mean over ocean navigation systems need updates. Or the ability of the crew to speak English clearly.

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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by StevePIraq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:47 pm

Actually it is easy to see where Thailand fails. The following clearly shows how crap the Thai airlines are in comparison to other countries. I selected Tajikistan as a comparison where I flew with some of the worst airlines in the world and Tajikistan still surpass Thailand. If you compare with Vietnam then Thailand is even worse.

If not good enough to fly overseas they ain't good enough to fly anywhere.

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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Nereus » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:53 pm

For those still confused by what all this means. Note that "Air Navigation" does not refer to finding your way from one place to another! Thailand has had a Red Flag since June of 2015, they have had ample time to sort out the consequences. A big effort has been made, including the restructuring and renaming of the Thai authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ganization

https://www.icao.int/Pages/default.aspx

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -b-437818/

The last link is dated 02 June 2017 and is what the upcoming inspection is about.
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Re: Thirteen Thai airlines blocked from flying abroad

Post by Nereus » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:50 pm

Prayut: Aviation red flag removed, airline shares jump

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transp ... hares-jump

Shares in Thai airlines moved sharply higher on Monday after the prime minister and the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand said the UN International Civil Aviation Organization has removed a red flag against Thailand over safety concerns.

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said at Government House that Arun Mishra, Asia and Pacific director of the ICAO, met him on Monday and confirmed that the ICAO had reached an official resolution to lift the red flag on Thailand.
The ICAO placed its red flag on June 18, 2015, he said, and raised 33 significant safety concerns after checking aviation safety standards in Thailand in January that year.

Gen Prayut said his government had “systematically and concretely” solved long-standing problems concerning aviation safety standards.

Among the measures taken, he said, air operator certificates of 28 locally registered airlines operating international flights were reviewed, aviation laws were amended and the number of qualified aviation-related personnel was increased.

Thailand was downgraded in June 2015 after missing a deadline to resolve significant safety concerns, meaning that airlines in Thailand were unable to add further routes, though they could continue to operate routine flights.
The government sought the ICAO's reassessment on June 30 and its representatives conducted the inspection Sept 20-27, ending with the removal of the red flag, Gen Prayut said.

In a statement on its website, the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand said, "Although lifting the red flag is a significant turning point for her aviation industry, Thailand and CAAT need to carry on their missions to improve the aviation safety standards." 

CAAT director-general Chula Sukmanop told a news conference the removal of the red flag would give Thai airlines a chance to start new flights to China, Japan and South Korea.

Shares in Thai Airways climbed nearly 8% on the news before falling back to trade at over 5% higher. Shares in Asia Aviation, which operates Thai Air Asia, rose as much as 5% and later traded up nearly 4%. Shares in airport operator Airports of Thailand rose over 2%.

The biggest beneficiaries of the decision would be smaller carriers, such as Thai AirAsia X, NokScoot and Thai Lion, said Corrine Png, the CEO of Singapore-based transport research firm Crucial Perspective.

"The ICAO downgrade had seriously impeded these new entrants’ growth to lucrative markets such as Japan and South Korea," she said. "These airlines can now grow more aggressively. This would, however, imply increased competition for Thai Airways when they expand."

Mr Chula said he expected Thailand would regain a Category One status from the US Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which also downgraded Thailand in 2015. The FAA downgrade meant Thai carriers could not start new routes to the United States.

The CAAT said its aim was to be at "the world's forefront" in safety and reach the global average in each safety category. Actions were still needed to address findings of an ICAO inspection in January 2015 and an audit in July, it said.

ICAO's red flag was based on its audit of the regulatory body, rather than individual airlines. Some major Thai airlines, including Thai Airways, Bangkok Airways, Thai Lion and NokScoot, have passed the International Air Transport Association Operational Safety Audit, a benchmark for global safety management in airlines.

Aviation safety is particularly important for Thailand given that tourism accounts for around 12% of its economy.
The countries which still have red flags against them are Djibouti, Eritrea, Haiti, Kyrgyzstan and Malawi, according to the ICAO list.
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