SunandFun wrote:Johnnymac, He can't do that or at least he should not have done that. Not very sportsman like I would say. You played the provisional under the Rules. You were not aware of the Water Hazard. I would insist he put that ball up his... Oh sorry back to the Topic. If any thing similar happens like that again, Invoke Rule 3-3. That will teach him to play unfair. Then, when you are back to the clubhouse, or email, get the answer and then you can see which score counts before you settle up.
RULE 3-3. DOUBT AS TO PROCEDURE
In stroke play, if a competitor is doubtful of his rights or the correct procedure during the play of a hole, he may, without penalty, complete the hole with two balls.
After the doubtful situation has arisen and before taking further action, the competitor must announce to his marker or fellow-competitor that he intends to play two balls and which ball he wishes to count if the Rules permit.
The competitor must report the facts of the situation to the Committee before returning his score card. If he fails to do so, he is disqualified. Note: If the competitor takes further action before dealing with the doubtful situation, Rule 3-3 is not applicable. The score with the original ball counts or, if the original ball is not one of the balls being played, the score with the first ball put into play counts, even if the Rules do not allow the procedure adopted for that ball. However, the competitor incurs no penalty for having played a second ball, and any penalty strokes incurred solely by playing that ball do not count in his score.
b. Determination of Score for Hole
(i) If the ball that the competitor selected in advance to count has been played in accordance with the Rules, the score with that ball is the competitor’s score for the hole. otherwise, the score with the other ball counts if the Rules allow the procedure adopted for that ball.
(ii) If the competitor fails to announce in advance his decision to complete the hole with two balls, or which ball he wishes to count, the score with the original ball counts, provided it has been played in accordance with the Rules. If the original ball is not one of the balls being played, the first ball put into play counts, provided it has been played in accordance with the Rules. Otherwise, the score with the other ball counts if the Rules allow the procedure adopted for that ball.
Note 1: If a competitor plays a second ball under Rule 3-3, the strokes made after this Rule has been invoked with the ball ruled not to count and penalty strokes incurred solely by playing that ball are disregarded.
Note 2: A second ball played under Rule 3-3 is not a provisional ball under Rule 27-2.
You will usually have someone at the golf course who has a basic knowledge of the Rules. They may be a starter, or course marshall, or the Local Pro. If not, send me an email and I will get back to you ASAP. If I am out and have limited time, I will give you the "quick answer" and then follow up latter with all of the details.
I hope this helps and I hope you don't get paired again with someone who uses trickery to try and gain an advantage.
heartofmidlothian wrote:Hi Sunandfun,
I have another question for you that just happened to a friend of mine. He hit his ball and provisional ball into the same spot of deep rough. Does he have 5 mins to find both balls or 5 mins for each ball? Would the situation be any different if he hit one left and one right?
benmo wrote:I am Sure rule 25/2 allows relief on any closely mown area through the green
heartofmidlothian wrote:Got a rules question for sun and fun. Do you get relief if your ball lies in a plug mark (on the fairway)? This plug mark was not mine. Bloody hard to hit out of a plug mark - give me a divot anytime!
Just played Banyan and Black Mountain, for the first time in a year. Both are in excellent condition but was surprised that Banyans greens were quicker, although I thought the green speed at Black Mountain was better for handicap golfers. Excellent changes to holes 1, 9 and 18 at BM. Really begs the question why they weren't done that way when the course was built? Fairways are beautiful at both and really puts the other courses to shame. High green fees at both though. Still feel that Banyan really need to do something with that 17th hole. A new green complex short and left would turn it from the worst hole into one of the best holes. Everytime I play it I am amazed that the green was put where it is when it is just asking to be in the natural bowl area short left.
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