Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[RCer]

The problem with government setting the standards can best be exemplified by the internet. It took 30 years, billions of dollars, and numerous revisions before manufacturers of fiber optics finally stepped up and told the government to stuff it. Now there is an industry standard.

Same happens every time the government says what is going to be.

Microsoft, Tesla, Amazon, Facebook, etc told the government to pound sand from day 1 and literally created their own industries in the process. Result is reliable and taxpayers didn't get stuck with the bill.

Sure consumers are taxpayers, but why pay for something twice?

[StevePIraq]

Here is a good article on electric cars with some interesting stats, also warranty for capacity loss but no cover for unit failure

http://www.fleetcarma.com/todays-electr ... batteries/

[pharvey]

Here is a good article on electric cars with some interesting stats, also warranty for capacity loss but no cover for unit failure

http://www.fleetcarma.com/todays-electr ... batteries/

Intesting.

The Chinese are (as alsways these days) going to be a big player.

[Nereus]

Tesla hands over first Model 3 to early buyers

http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/12 ... rly-buyers

FREMONT, CALIFORNIA - Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on Friday the Model 3 had over half a million advance reservations as he handed over the first 30 to employee buyers, setting the stage for the biggest test yet of the company's strategy to become a profitable, mass market electric car maker.

Outside Tesla's Fremont, California factory, Mr Musk showed off the $35,000 base vehicle with a range of 350km (220 miles) on a charge that marks a departure from the company's earlier luxury electric cars.

Mr Musk took to the stage driving a red Model 3, and said Tesla has produced 50 of the vehicles so far, including 20 for testing purposes.
Hours before the event, Mr Musk acknowledged it would be "quite a challenge" to build the car during the early days of production.
"We're going to go through at least six months of manufacturing hell," Mr Musk told journalists.

The over-half-a-million reservations are up from about 373,000 disclosed in April 2016. Customers pay $1,000 refundable deposits for the car, which is eligible for tax credits.

Any new buyers would likely not receive their car until the end of 2018, Mr Musk said.

A longer-range version of the car is priced at $44,000 and will drive 500km (310 miles) on a single charge. The cars feature a streamlined dashboard devoid of buttons or knobs, with a 15-inch touchstream display to the right of the driver.

Tesla faces major hurdles living up to the Model 3 hype. The 500,000 vehicles Tesla vows to produce next year are nearly six times its 2016 production.

Were Tesla to produce and sell 500,000 cars per year, the company would likely outsell the BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus brands in the United States.

Production delays and quality issues marred the launches of Tesla's Model S and Model X vehicles, and the company blamed production problems for a shortfall during the second quarter of this year.

Mr Musk has said a simpler Model 3 design will greatly reduce potential assembly-line problems.
Tesla has burned through over $2 billion in cash so far this year ahead of the launch.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,>>>>>>>>>>>

[StevePIraq]

Revealed: UK Government's electric car revolution could cost more than £200bn

Plans to end the sale of all diesel and petrol cars by 2040 started to unravel today as it emerged 10,000 wind turbines or 10 nuclear power stations would need to be built to power their electric replacements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07 ... ost-200bn/

Another point I read was the falling income the government is getting from fuel tax as sales volume is dropping and will continue to drop until 2040 when supply is planned to mostly stop. The government presently rakes in 27bn each year, so how will the government recover this loss to the budget.
There is far more to consider to this progress than is being divulged at the moment.

[Dannie Boy]

Revealed: UK Government's electric car revolution could cost more than £200bn

Plans to end the sale of all diesel and petrol cars by 2040 started to unravel today as it emerged 10,000 wind turbines or 10 nuclear power stations would need to be built to power their electric replacements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07 ... ost-200bn/

Another point I read was the falling income the government is getting from fuel tax as sales volume is dropping and will continue to drop until 2040 when supply is planned to mostly stop. The government presently rakes in 27bn each year, so how will the government recover this loss to the budget.
There is far more to consider to this progress than is being divulged at the moment.

Fairly basic really, the government takes in "x" billion of £'s a year in taxes one way of another- cut off the supply of one element of tax and substitute it with another - e.g. Increase VAT, NI, income tax etc.



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[handdrummer]

for $15,734.29 I could buy a decent used car or a new Suzuki. in the meantime i'll stay with my 23 yr. old Mercedes 190e.

[Nereus]

There is no doubt that internal combustion engines are the main cause of city pollution. But the knee jerk reaction of the environmentalists completely ignores the fact that conventional thermal power generating stations are a totally bigger source.

Until such time as the world can come up with a large scale, pollution free, 24 hour a day method of generating and distributing electrical energy, electric vehicles in any form are simply moving the problem to someone else's back yard.

The following is just one of many examples:

http://www.lightsonsolar.com/emissions- ... line-cars/

The research and money needs to be poured into how to produce "clean "power", before banning what we have.

[RCer]

Tesla hands over first Model 3 to early buyers

http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/12 ... rly-buyers

FREMONT, CALIFORNIA - Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on Friday the Model 3 had over half a million advance reservations as he handed over the first 30 to employee buyers, setting the stage for the biggest test yet of the company's strategy to become a profitable, mass market electric car maker.

I wish I had the money to invest in any of Elon Musk's ventures. I'd have a ton more money. I just saw a video of a test run for the Hyperloop he's been talking about. It works.

[STEVE G]

It seems to me that electric cars could be useful in making solar energy viable. Many people drive their cars to large buildings everyday such as offices, factories, shopping malls, government buildings or whatever, so just cover the roofs of those buildings with solar panels and connect them to the car parks.

[PeteC]

......... so just cover the roofs of those buildings with solar panels and connect them to the car parks.

Is it really that easy, or is some intermediate electrical equipment needed to produce a current where charging doesn't take days?....and what is capacity = amount of vehicles per panel or cluster? Getting complicated. Pete

[STEVE G]

......... so just cover the roofs of those buildings with solar panels and connect them to the car parks.

Is it really that easy, or is some intermediate electrical equipment needed to produce a current where charging doesn't take days?....and what is capacity = amount of vehicles per panel or cluster? Getting complicated. Pete

I oversimplified a little but my point is that there are huge amounts of flat roofs in cities that could be used to charge cars whilst people are at work. The way that solar panels are going down in cost at the moment, it soon won't cost much more than any other form of roofing.

[StevePIraq]

It seems the world is only talking about electric cars to cut carbon emissions when there are countless other things causing pollution and it seems little is being done to address those.
Diesel trains; planes; diesel generators; factories, power plants; ships; bush fires; and don't forget cows farting.
Anyway once governments get their way and bring in compulsory electric vehicles along with all the associated taxes you will have a good excuse for being late for work as you could not charge your car as the power went off.

[STEVE G]

Piston, internal combustion engines are hardly an elegant solution to producing power from an engineering point of view, even the best don't achieve 50% efficiency which means that over half of all that petrol and diesel bought every year just produces heat, noise and pollution.
Surely mankind can do better than that in the 21st century. Personally, I don't think government intervention will be necessary, people will buy electric cars because they'll be better than the alternatives.

[handdrummer]

who would pay for all those solar panels mounted on the roofs of parking structures? would there be a fee to plug in your vehicle?