splitlid wrote:refs should start sending off players who try to intimidate and abuse. so what if the team is reduced to 8 or 9 men.
Who wants to see teams playing with 8 or 9 men, no one that's who. So people will switch off, which leads advertisers to reduce or even stop chucking money into the game. Loss or revenue will kill the game or at least reduce it to the level of pro. rugby in England. I mean who watches rugby union on TV in England, unless it's an International game?
splitlid wrote:refs should start sending off players who try to intimidate and abuse. so what if the team is reduced to 8 or 9 men.
Who wants to see teams playing with 8 or 9 men, no one that's who. So people will switch off, which leads advertisers to reduce or even stop chucking money into the game. Loss or revenue will kill the game or at least reduce it to the level of pro. rugby in England. I mean who watches rugby union on TV in England, unless it's an International game?
Harry - I think splitlid's valid point is that the bitching would stop if the penalties were harsh. Sometimes we need to suffer pain for a long term fix. I think Splitlid's point is sending a player off for bitching would become rare, just as it is in Rugby. Personally, I think there should be a "bitch" card and should be coloured pink. If a player receives a pink "bitch" card it means he is banned from the next fixture in that competition. That way the ref could show the "bitch" card to ALL 11 players in a team which would mean the team would need to play the reserves the next game. Indeed a player could be shown the pink "bitch" card more than once, each card = 1 banned game. That way the team would be penalised without demeaning the game for the fans.
Who wants to see teams playing with 8 or 9 men, no one that's who. So people will switch off, which leads advertisers to reduce or even stop chucking money into the game.
So, I guess you would rather watch a bunch of cheats, with regular commercial breaks. Personally, I would prefer to watch 2 teams playing football fairly. If somebody cheats, the punishment should fit the crime - the cheating shouldn't be ignored in favour of selling another bottle of American beer.
Jockey wrote:Harry - I think splitlid's valid point is that the bitching would stop if the penalties were harsh. Sometimes we need to suffer pain for a long term fix.
Well the death penalty is a pretty harsh measure don't you think, but the USA still has the highest murder rate in the western world.
Jockey wrote:Harry - I think splitlid's valid point is that the bitching would stop if the penalties were harsh. Sometimes we need to suffer pain for a long term fix.
Well the death penalty is a pretty harsh measure don't you think, but the USA still has the highest murder rate in the western world.
Don't think you'd get too many murders in front of a 50,000 crowd? I think your analogy is too extreme and inappropriate. We are talking penalties for fouls on a football field FFS!. Besides, most murders in the USA are attributed to the liberal gun laws. How many more murders in the UK would there be if 50% of the population owned a gun?
Where is thread going? Should the ref have a gun? Give his assistants knives? Flog the players at half time? Bring back the Roman Empire?
Bring back good old South American style justice, is what I preach.
When referees were regularly cajoled, beaten up or shot.
If you didn't like a player and thought that he'd underperformed, or heaven above, been guilty of an own goal - well, just assassinate him on his return.
England won the WC in the era when these admittedly politically incorrect sanctions were freely allowed in continents far afield.
Bring back hanging. It's good for the soul.
lomuamart wrote:
If you didn't like a player and thought that he'd underperformed, or heaven above, been guilty of an own goal - well, just assassinate him on his return.
"The BBC issued an apology the following day after its pundit Alan Hansen commented on another match that "the Argentine defender wants shooting for a mistake like that.""
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Cor,
And I'm going straight to sleep.
Unless you football crazy people shake me awake with some excitement, I can wait another four years for the inevitable wailing at walls.
Don't worry Lomu. Come September the qualifiers start for Euro 2008. So it's only 2 years wait. Will Ronaldo and Portugal beat England again in penalty shootout? Will either of them qualify?
Who wants to see teams playing with 8 or 9 men, no one that's who. So people will switch off, which leads advertisers to reduce or even stop chucking money into the game. Loss or revenue will kill the game or at least reduce it to the level of pro. rugby in England. I mean who watches rugby union on TV in England, unless it's an International game?
The last bit is probably exactly what the game needs, as Big Boy said"
"So, I guess you would rather watch a bunch of cheats, with regular commercial breaks. Personally, I would prefer to watch 2 teams playing football fairly. If somebody cheats, the punishment should fit the crime - the cheating shouldn't be ignored in favour of selling another bottle of American beer"
Agree with this, the game is totally corrupted now by money - thats is the bottom line - and its only gonna get worse. An earlier post mentioned draft picks, and wage caps. Its the way forward that cannot ever happen as i see it.
I don't think anyone seriously condones cheating in any of it's forms, (Thai Universtities excluded ) the question is how to detect & deal with it effectively. Potentially sending off several players isn't the only answer, there has to be a raft of measures used to combat it... start with the people who run the clubs first perhaps.
Don't think you'd get too many murders in front of a 50,000 crowd? I think your analogy is too extreme and inappropriate. We are talking penalties for fouls on a football field FFS!. Besides, most murders in the USA are attributed to the liberal gun laws. How many more murders in the UK would there be if 50% of the population owned a gun? 
