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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by JoeGo1 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:42 am

Hi can anyone answer a coupple of questions on the following pls

Thai Wifey with forgien name has house on HH but does not live there nor does she rents it out. She and family visit now and again.

Also has shop house but empty and no rent form that as well.

What taxes does she have to pay pls?

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by Norseman » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:04 am

Why don't you read more abut it in this thread?

I can now confirm that the government in Bangers have not issued any new increased prizes or costs for this year.
What you paid last year is what you have to pay this year.
If you don't believe what I say, GO AND PAY YOUR TAX IN PRATCHUAP KHIRIKHAN!!!

Can I say it any stronger?
I have called the government in Bangkok. The number is 1111.

They confirm that the prizes are the same as last year. No changes.

OK i'm not English, but even I can smell that this is a scam!!
Please - don't do as they the municipality says, but pay the same prize as you did last year.

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by benmo » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:56 am

So a falang who lives here sav 6 months a year, does not rent it out and has no other Tbai property pays no tax.
Is this a correct intrepretation SJ, thanks for your help

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by vistana » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:59 pm

Having followed this thread from the begining we were quite interested to get as much info as possible as my Thai wife had received a letter from the tessaban,sent to her parents house as we were living in the UK at the time, telling her to go and pay house tax.
The house and land is in my Thai wife's name (with a userfruct agreement for me to live there till I die) and its not rented and not in a company name, so we were a bit worried how much we would be asked to pay when we went to the tessaban.
Anyway the upshot of it all was she had to pay 5 baht for last year plus a 20% penalty (1 baht)as we did not pay it last year and another penalty (1 baht).... total amount due for last year was 7 baht! And for this current year she had to pay 5 baht! So a total of 12 baht for the two years..... phew what a relief that was when my wife came out and told me! My wife was so impressed she asked if she could pay for the next five to ten years in advance! :laugh: but they said no.

So if the house is registered in your Thai wifes name and is not rented out and not in a company and she only has the one house, then the tessaban tax will be very minimal.
Size of the property and land and swimming pool does not matter in this instance.
The only other question they asked my wife was where is the location of your house, as we live in the samorphong area, near the new immigration area might have made it a little bit cheaper.... but we did'nt bother to ask!
The only documents they wanted to see was her Thai ID card, tabiab bahn and chanote certificate.

All turned out very well and quite simple.

Hope this helps other on here who might be getting worried as we were!!!

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Vistana :D :D :cheers:

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by buksida » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:11 pm

Does this "tax" apply to undeveloped land also? Mrs buksi has a small plot about 2 kilometers from town center. Should we be expecting a letter/demand? I can just envision a bunch of blank faces if we rock up in Prachuab with the chanote to enquire about it.
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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by vistana » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:24 pm

Hi Buksida,
We are not sure if it applies to an undeveloped plot of land which is owned by a Thai..... best thing to do is pop into the local tessaban offices in HH (first floor,finance dept or gong klung I think is the thai) and just ask.... apparently not everyone gets a letter, its up to thais to make sure they pay any local taxes before May (for the house tax at least).
My wife said they were very helpfull in the office and would be able to give your wife the correct advice.

Sorry could not be more helpfull.
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Post by Super Joe » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:46 pm

vistana wrote:The house and land is in my Thai wife's name (with a userfruct agreement for me to live there till I die) and its not rented and not in a company name. Anyway the upshot of it all was she had to pay 5 baht for last year plus a 20% penalty (1 baht)as we did not pay it last year and another penalty (1 baht). So if the house is registered in your Thai wifes name and is not rented out and not in a company and she only has the one house, then the tessaban tax will be very minimal. Size of the property and land and swimming pool does not matter in this instance.
Great info Vistana, and possibly confirms what I posted earlier about exemptions if owner-occupied as primary Thai residence. But I read one of the exemptions is if the place is unoccupied for over 12 months, not sure if vacations discount that or what.

Also can I ask if your Usufruct was registered with ot without a value attached to it, ie: a usage charge to you the end user? And did they already have that low bill ready for your wife, or did they decide the amount after finding out your situation for your wife?



Buksida wrote:Does this "tax" apply to undeveloped land also? Mrs buksi has a small plot about 2 kilometers from town center.
No not this 'Land and House Tax', but the other one I mentioned earlier in the thread,the 'Land Development Tax', sometimes referred to as the 'Local Development Tax', would. It specifically relates to undeveloped land, and taxed on the land offices 'medium' range of land in your area, (ie: don't matter what you paid or it's current market value), the tax rates are between 0.25% to 0.5%, depending on location and classification, whatever that means, but double these rates upto max. of 0.95% if land is unused.
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Your wife should enquire about an exemption though, as one of those listed is 'Animal Husbandry'. I understand a couple of the Welsh board members are known to get off on this quite regularly :wink:
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Post by buksida » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:31 am

Super Joe wrote:No not this 'Land and House Tax', but the other one I mentioned earlier in the thread,the 'Land Development Tax', sometimes referred to as the 'Local Development Tax', would. It specifically relates to undeveloped land, and taxed on the land offices 'medium' range of land in your area, (ie: don't matter what you paid or it's current market value), the tax rates are between 0.25% to 0.5%, depending on location and classification, whatever that means, but double these rates upto max. of 0.95% if land is unused.
Ok, cheers, 0.25% of the land office value is peanuts so no problem. Just a bit concerned about going in to the Hua Hin office and offering to pay it after reading some of the posts here, wouldn't it be the equivalent of dropping your trousers, bending over, greasing up, and painting a nice bullseye on there for them (especially when they see mrs Buksi has a farang surname)? Can it be paid in Prachuab?
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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by vistana » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:57 pm

Hi Super Joe,
when the house and land was transfered from the developer to my wife we set up the userfruct with no value attatched to it as far as we can remember, we went to the land registry office and registered the land/house etc and the userfruct.... cost us about 1,000 baht ... one of the developers staff who was very knowlegable came with us and we were only in there for about an hour.
Hope this answers your question. :cheers:

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by JimmyGreaves » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:52 am

Any updates on this?

Norseman did your lawyer confirm anything?

SJ did your wife talk to Tessabahn.

Anyone know anything about the 3 areas and calculations for them?
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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by Norseman » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:49 pm

Yes there are some changes.
The increased price is a stunning 1 Baht.
For me - with a one storey house in zone 2 (Soi 88 Hin Lek Fai area) instead of 24 Baht/sq.meter it's now 25 Baht.

The town is divided into 3 zones.
Hilton and the inner-city area is zone 1
Between Soi 102 and and the border to Cha Am is zone 2, while zone 3 is between Soi 102 and Takiab.

Tessabahn is however having another meeting today I think, because the new boss in the tax office still regard farang (company route) house owners as if they don't live in their own house, but as they rent it out.

Therefore I can't say that everything is sorted out yet but I'll add 96 Baht to my last year bill and will pay the bill on the 23rd this month.

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by Nereus » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:16 pm

Anymore about the charge for a swimming pool? I just told them I can`t swim, so do not have a pool. :neener:
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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by Norseman » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:30 pm

Sorry Nereus - no changes and your 3000 Bt in tax still stands.

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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by JimmyGreaves » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:53 pm

Norseman wrote:Yes there are some changes.
The increased price is a stunning 1 Baht.
For me - with a one storey house in zone 2 (Soi 88 Hin Lek Fai area) instead of 24 Baht/sq.meter it's now 25 Baht.

The town is divided into 3 zones.
Hilton and the inner-city area is zone 1
Between Soi 102 and and the border to Cha Am is zone 2, while zone 3 is between Soi 102 and Takiab.

Tessabahn is however having another meeting today I think, because the new boss in the tax office still regard farang (company route) house owners as if they don't live in their own house, but as they rent it out.
Therefore I can't say that everything is sorted out yet but I'll add 96 Baht to my last year bill and will pay the bill on the 23rd this month.
Cheers Norseman

Can you let me know if you hear anything especially how the company route is being calculated?

Good to hear that you got some good news from them.
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Re: Tesaban Tax

Post by PeteC » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:43 am

Nereus wrote:Anymore about the charge for a swimming pool? I just told them I can`t swim, so do not have a pool. :neener:
If you branched off your discharge pipe into your household water tank and then designated your pool as backup water storage, it may take them a decade worth of meetings to rule on it. :idea: :thumb: Pete :cheers:
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