If you're a pessimist you do a bloody good job of hiding it.MajorBloodnok wrote:Hello,
too much negativity and pessimism contained in this topic.
(And if there is a pessimist, then it's me!)
Carpe Diem and enjoy the sun rather than wallowing in angst.
By the way a tsunami might strike Hua Hin any time.
Kind regards,
MB aka 'Mike the Fritz'
"The Over-Development of Hua Hin and the Consequences
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If Shanghai can survive with 24 million, I don't think you could describe Hua Hin as over developed, in fact there isn't a single major city between Bangkok and KL. Hua Hin hasn't even got a Starbucks yet!
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I answered your question. I can't help it if you don't understand the answer.GLCQuantum wrote:You've lost me.dtaai-maai wrote:Never mind the quality, feel the width.GLCQuantum wrote:That above post took me 32 minutes (with a cigarette break). Is that enough thought put into it or should I think more.
Do you have anything to add to the topic itself or is this just another thread where Dtaii Maii jumps in, only to sarcastically criticize either the writer himself or his poor writing, spelling and/or grammar?
Anything to add - anything at all?
Please give me an example of when I've ever criticised anyone's writing, spelling or grammar. In fact, I don't remember criticising anyone lately. Apart from you of course, but you will insist on asking my opinion on the quality of your posts. Luckily for you, I haven't given it much thought.
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I answered your question. I can't help it if you don't understand the answer.dtaai-maai wrote:You've lost me.GLCQuantum wrote:[.
Never mind the quality, feel the width.
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This is indeed true, and is one of the reason why so many towns are built on rivers, the flooding naturally re-fertilises the land however Hua Hin rarely experiences prolonged heavy rains, Hua Hin gets short heavy rain.If there is prolonged, heavy rains, people living near rivers are more prone to flooding...
No, the sea is in the way. Hua Hin has sufficient drainage to cope with most of the rain that it gets, it's only when heavy rainfall meets high tides that the water has no where to go, you can't hold back the tide by pushing fresh water at it. This would happen even if there were no buildings, but no-one would notice nor care. I presume you are not suggesting that the entire population is moved elsewhere (perhaps to Ban Pong) and the area razed, that's just moving your perceived problem elsewhere.Isn't Hua Hin by the sea? Surely the water can exit at that point. Oh, that's right - there are buildings in the way.
Being over-prepared is as bad as being unprepared. Squandering money on something that may or may not be needed isn't exactly the best use of government resources. If it became economically unviable to maintain businesses and homes in flood areas then either cost-benefit will eventually fall to the benefit side and the problem will be resolved or people will simply vacate the area to one that is less flood prone. Somewhat like the submarine issue that's going on at the moment, 36 billion baht for what, or the high speed trains at 716 billion baht which is nearly 1.5 times the entire education budget. This may prove your point a little, even with planning the wrong decision can be made (over and over)."Failing to prepare is preparing to fail".
That's definitely a whole new thread, but on the subject of IQ levels I would have thought you'd have preferred keeping the lower IQ group intact as they are less likely to be able to grow (in a technological sense) than the 'smarts'.I'm one of those crazy people that thinks that only those who can raise a child properly ... That's a whole new thread though
If it's hard to come by then perhaps that's because there is none, or perhaps it's being hidden - I don't know.Evidence is hard to come by when certain evidence depicts Thailand in a lesser light than it wants be.
That's quite an assertion and probably not backed up by much, yes, you could look towards Pattaya and Phucket as more developed areas that appear to have more crime but you also have to consider the number of people in both, Pattaya (the town) has some 105000 people living in 23 sq.Km, Hua Hin (the town) has about 50000 people in 85 sq.Km. You would need to check whatever stats are available to show that higher density implies a higher rate of crime not just a higher number of crimes.Crime will get stronger in Hua Hin over the next decade. More farang attacks will be heard of due to a weak economy and a hatred of whites (amongst some). Growing debt and less jobs (for the average man) will also ensure that crime grows significantly in Hua Hin over the next decade.
I doubt very much that racial tensions will ever really reach the highs that westerners have managed to take them to in the past (and in some places in the present). Thailand is very protective of both it's workforce and it's land, the two things that people strive for - a means of income and a place to live. I personally don't see a lot of the usual xenophobic lines trotted out against non-Asian foreigners (they're taking our jobs - they're buying up all our houses), simply because non-Asians can't blend in. Xenophobia here is against other Asians who could conceivably pass for Thai and take jobs from Thais.
And on the subject of jobs and unemployment, Thailand's ageing population and improving education has started to bump up the (miniscule) unemployment rate. An interesting part of that is shown in this report http://web.nso.go.th/en/survey/data_sur ... July58.pdf where the largest group of unemployed are actually those with a higher education. Obviously there are jobs available as Thailand has some 1.3 million registered workers are from Myanmar, how many more are unregistered one can only guess at, but those Thai's with a higher education either feel that manual labour is beneath them, or their families have sufficient funds for them to wait for a job that pays back what they paid to be educated to that level. These people are unlikely to be the source of the rise in crime you predict, and basic income jobs are still available for those that choose to work rather than turn to crime.
All four of those points were very tongue in cheek. The point I was trying to make is that you can do only what you can, if you are on a mission to change the behaviour of everyone Hua Hin (and those outside that supply Hua Hin with it's needs) then you are on a hiding to nothing.This last part was a little childish.
As for your "breaking point" defined as
well nature has already lost in every small village, town, city and country in the world, unless that is you subscribe to the theory of evolution and the general history of the Earth and accept that humans are the direct product of the last 65 million years of relative stability and therefore are part of nature.The point when neither nature nor the dumping of different nationalites/races, can work in harmony with the aggressive money grabbing philosophy of certain people.
I don't see the mix of nationalities and/or races as being anything other than good for the human race as a whole, not just Hua Hin. The blending of different races gives each of us some foothold in, or some belonging to, those races and there might come a time when so many people are of 'mixed race' that it's not possible to determine what races they are mixed from. Much as it might upset the Politically Correct brigade, being different is not usually the source of harmony and not usually celebrated; sameness is the source of harmony. When you can't distinguish between peoples and you can't pigeon-hole them or stereotype them, it becomes harder to encourage people who look and act the same to rally against them.
I'll leave you with one question:
On the assumption that your original post was decrying the ongoing expansion and development of Hua Hin, in what sometimes appears to be a rather haphazard manner, who is it that you want to 'save' Hua Hin for and what condition would you like to see Hua Hin 'preserved' in.
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You mean apart from the one at the clock tower and the one in Market Village?STEVE G wrote:...Hua Hin hasn't even got a Starbucks yet!
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STEVE G wrote:...Hua Hin hasn't even got a Starbucks yet!
You beat me to it, not that went in either.hhinner wrote:You mean apart from the one at the clock tower and the one in Market Village?
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Just for the record i dont think we need any Starbucks in Hua Hin, plenty of little espresso/coffee bars around:)
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It's bigger than I thought, Luxembourg hasn't got one in the whole country!hhinner wrote:You mean apart from the one at the clock tower and the one in Market Village?STEVE G wrote:...Hua Hin hasn't even got a Starbucks yet!
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And the Starbucks at the clock tower has been here for at least 10 years. Do keep up!
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It does, to get some decent tea!SydneyGuy wrote:Just for the record i dont think we need any Starbucks in Hua Hin, plenty of little espresso/coffee bars around:)
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^ To my knowledge GLC lives in Thailand, not in the U.S.
Of course the variety of restaurants now is nice, as is Villa Market, but we were happier there in those earlier years even with having to make trips to Bangkok for medical and Villa Market, and even with the nearest name brand supermarket being Big C in Petchaburi where we went about twice a month. I think the progress has hurt the town dramatically. It's just like every other big resort now with high prices, over building and over crowding on the streets.
In my humble opinion it did that already. I decided to move there in 2003 because I loved the laid back style of the place. Except for the climate it was heaven then as it was uncrowded, little to no traffic most of the time, easy to park downtown, etc.So how long until Hua Hin falls apart by trying to expand beyond what it's capable of?
Of course the variety of restaurants now is nice, as is Villa Market, but we were happier there in those earlier years even with having to make trips to Bangkok for medical and Villa Market, and even with the nearest name brand supermarket being Big C in Petchaburi where we went about twice a month. I think the progress has hurt the town dramatically. It's just like every other big resort now with high prices, over building and over crowding on the streets.
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I think it depends what kind of person you are, I know some who like to live in communities that have more sheep than people but I like living in cities with all the life and vibrancy that comes with it. Central Hua Hin can't really expand anymore anyway because it's constrained by the sea on one side and the hills behind. The traffic can be a nuisance but if you go to a place in SE Asia with no traffic, it's probably because there's nothing there!
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i can remember when they destroyed my favorite beach in Laguna Beach, California... five star hotel bought the bluff above a very private cove and built stairs down to it. now it is ruined forever...
it is nice to get just a hour or so out of Hua Hin... i ride out on my big bike and just hang out in little villages...
no malls and no tourists... you know you are in the right place when everyone stares at you.
be careful with the internet... it causes depression... diet and exercise and try not to dwell on super bummer downer stuff all the time... one click leads to another...
it is hard enough walking down the filthy beach here...
it is nice to get just a hour or so out of Hua Hin... i ride out on my big bike and just hang out in little villages...
no malls and no tourists... you know you are in the right place when everyone stares at you.
be careful with the internet... it causes depression... diet and exercise and try not to dwell on super bummer downer stuff all the time... one click leads to another...
it is hard enough walking down the filthy beach here...
I really like this forum because there are no personal attacks. All the members contribute in a positive way to my posts.
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So you moved to a place with little traffic, drove everywhere and noticed traffic increasing?hhfarang wrote:^ To my knowledge GLC lives in Thailand, not in the U.S.
In my humble opinion it did that already. I decided to move there in 2003 because I loved the laid back style of the place. Except for the climate it was heaven then as it was uncrowded, little to no traffic most of the time, easy to park downtown.....So how long until Hua Hin falls apart by trying to expand beyond what it's capable of?